Tips and Tricks for the 5D MKII – PART II – Audio
One of the most common questions that I get relates to audio and the Canon 5D MKII. My first recommendation is always to record your audio independently – i.e. with a separate device. This gives you much greater freedom with your edit when you have a continuous sound recording – and are now free to cut between shots even if they weren’t sequential. If you want to shoot stills and video – an independent audio recording device allows you to cut between stills and video – shot with the same camera.
I’ve tested the Sennheiser mics – and to be honest I’ve found the audio to be marginal – both for their hotshoe mic, as well as their shotgun mic – especially when you compare those two devices from Rode. Sennheiser has become the de facto mic for most multimedia journalists out there – often coupled with a Marantz devices. I’d like to suggest a new route – after some research, help from others and a few side by side tests – the Rode mics seem to excel relative to the Sennheisers – especially in the lower tones. It’s definitely the best bang for the buck that I’ve found. (You can ALWAYS find something better for more $$$ – this is true of everything I mention below.)
So I’d recommend you look into three solutions:
The Rode Video Mic – you can hook it onto your hotshoe and plug it right into the 5D MKII’s input – and it has great sound isolation through its integrated shock mount. (Use this in video only – when you go to shoot stills… it blocks the eyepiece) and it doesn’t interfere with a 16mm lens (i.e. get in the shot.) And it’s self-powered by a 9V.
The Rode NTG-2 Shotgun Mic – excellent audio from this shotgun mic – great for interviews and good for ambient sound.
And finally the Fostex FR-2LE Field Recorder – it seems to have much cleaner audio then the Marantz. At the Eddie Adams workshop – we put these units head to head (Marantz w/ Sennheiser vs the Rode w/ Fostex – and there was no comparison – the later won hands down.)
And not to be totally down on the Sennheiser brand – if you’re looking for a great lav mic kit – I’ve been using the Sennheiser ew100ENGG2 Kit – with the wireless adapter for my Rode shotgun mic as well.
Oh and one more thing – if you really want control – check out the Beachtek DXA-2s – this allows you to actually control the level of the audio coming in from your mic – given that the 5D MKII doesn’t allow you to adjust the level of the incoming audio.
Audio is likely one of the most overlooked parts of film – especially by photographers. I’d recommend you put some time into it – put the camera down and walk around with a good mic or two – and a good field recorder and headphones and really start to study sound. You’ll have a blast.
Last tip: use a splitter if you’ve only got one mic – (the Shotgun Mics record in mono) and plug the same mic into both the Left and Right inputs with the splitter – set the Left input’s adjustment control up a bit, to pic up the quieter sounds, and the Righ input’s adjustment down a bit – to make sure you don’t blow out unexpected loud sounds… nice and simple trick – that can easily save the day.
hi vincent,
did you try the sennheiser MKE 400?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
December 8th, 2008 at 4:14 am
Yes – wasn’t impressed…
Thanks for the tips!
I also thank you for introducing me to Moby – via Reverie – I hope to use that type of music in my own work.
For the time being, that “free work” has netting Moby at least a dollar from me via iTunes. I imagine many other people have found Moby’s music and are purchasing it through a variety of ways.
asdf Reply:
May 13th, 2009 at 7:08 am
@Creighton Holub – i imagine millions of people have already downloaded it off the internet many years ago. free from p2p programs…
Do you have a picture of how you would hook a mic to splitter(any recommendations?) to camera?
Finding it kinda hard to visualize. Thanks.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
December 8th, 2008 at 10:54 am
It’s real simple (I’m in Los Angeles and don’t have the gear w/ me) Imagine the letter “Y” – on the bottom of the Y you plug in the mic – and then the two top of the Ys go into the L & R inputs… each of those inputs will have a different incoming levels set.
Hi Vince
Sorry if this is slight off topic but it’s still regarding the 5D MKII.
There is quite a storm showing up on the horizon regarding the “black dot” phenomena with the 5D MKII. The phenomena actually shows up even on some of your shots as refereed to in the thread over at POTN.
What is your opinion regarding this matter?
Hera are some threads for your reference :
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=609860
http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00RewZ
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=30222755
A really important point is Audio. Thx for your input!
These tips, sound a lot like viral ads for sponsors. I know, that’s the cynic in me, but after playing around with this camera I see so many things it can, and can’t do, and I just wonder, if you’re going to invest in all this gear, why not just rent it all per job? It seems like a lot of ‘stuff’ to have just to do some video production..
Another thing..how do you control the same aperture/settings if you’re doing multiple takes? This camera is not built for that sort of thing…I feel that it is what it is, and should not be made into some high quality production model camera because…it’s not. The compression on the files is a little silly too, as is the noise on the low light shots.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
December 8th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I’m about to go on a 3-week shoot – renting is not an option – and audio gear is gear you’ll use EVERY assignment – so it’s probably just as important as your 50mm 1.2… and yes – I did spend my personal little $$$ to buy these things – just to assuage your fears. And if I’m going to spend my own $$$ – I’m not going to buy junk. Fair enough?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
December 8th, 2008 at 10:58 am
The second part – yes good points. But guess what… it works pretty darn well for what it is- a first gen camera. This is not the “perfect camera” for everyone – and not meant to be. BUT it does do what it does – quite well (but not perfectly as you mention.)
Did you play with Rode’s Stereo VideoMic? Or is a stereo mic undesirable for video relative to what a shotgun offers?
By the way, I’d recommend you investigate some of the smaller field recorders out there. I’ve only used them for live music, but the Sony PCM-D50, Olympus LS-10, Edirol R-09HR and M-Audio’s Microtrack II (and Zoom, Korg, Marantz, etc,) can all capture high fidelity digital audio from external sources in a much smaller form factor.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
December 8th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Love the smaller units – have tried them. But some are missing the bells and whistles that I’m looking for. The Sony is real nice… And you hit it on the nose as far as Rode’s Stereo mic – it picks up for too much ambient noise… (as it’s meant to be – kind of – relative to the shotgun mic.)
Charles Reply:
December 10th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Thanks for your thoughts, Vince. I’m going to check out Fostex’s FR-2LE and see what it can do that my Sony can’t. I also just noticed that Marantz has announced the PMD661, which looks like a new, direct competitor to the FR-2LE in a smaller package. I’m going to wait for reviews of that unit; if Marantz has solved the preamp noise issue which plague their other offerings, it may be a contender.
Vincent, Thanks for calling attention to this. I am a video shooter interested in dipping my toe in the world of better lenses and larger sensors. Since I heard about this camera, audio has been my biggest concern. So often people on camera message boards blow-off sound and say to leave it to the audio guy. But a lot of us, especially with this cam, will be doing our own sound and pretty pictures are only half of the equation. Please keep the tips and experiences coming.
Casey Hayward Reply:
December 8th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
@Casey Hayward,
P.S. a future tips section might focus on the benefits of a dedicated video tripod vs. stills tripod for motion work. This is another area where stills and video diverge.
Hey Vincent,
I love this post. I’m wondering though looking at the field recorder it doesn’t look like you can hook headphones up to it and when I tried the camera at PhotoPlus the Canon reps couldn’t figure out how to hook headphones up to the camera either. Forgive me if I sound noobish because I am just an intern but is there a way to listen to the audio being recorded?
Thanks for the help Vincent.
I was trying to figure out how to do the audio, I am a Navy broadcaster and the camera we use is an Ikegami. It’s basically an indestructible metal box with a lens and filled with bricks. I’m primarily a photographer but if i can start using the 5DMKII for interviews and general shooting I may try to get the Navy to get us a few more to use.
I’d never thought to use a shotgun mic for interviews but i guess it would make sense. I’d be really interested to hear the audio from the raw Reverie shots.
Again thanks for all the tips trying to help ease the move from stills to video.
V/R
Anthony Curtis
I’m getting sponsored by Sennheiser for my next project so I gues I’m “stuck” with them 🙂
My main concern right now is that the camera could be so much more. Maybe it can for instance be made to handle 100fps @ 720p or manual controls for ISO and aperture.
To get to the bottom of this I started http://canonhack.com
I’m hoping in this way to send a message to Canon saying that just because you want to sell video cameras you cant leave key features out of the firmware here.
I have a few questions about your post Vincent, as audio is one of my chief concerns as well.
First, if I do go with the onboard audio, using the Beachtek device your mentioned or something similar, will the cameras auto-audio-levels mess things up? I’m guessing the camera runs the audio through some sort of compressor that only effects the audio when it peaks. If I am mixing the audio first and making sure there are no peaks, will the camera still distort the volumes automatically, or will it just take the audio as is?
Second, I was looking at higher end gear than the Beachtek which includes a headphone monitor out. Does the beachtek have headphone out?
Thanks for your time, and keep the great tips, tricks, and reviews coming
Cheers
Really appreciate you taking the time to post stuff like this.
I see this being a huge thing in the wedding industry and my goal is to help lead the boat on this on within that following.
At first I was pretty anti the idea of the video stuff mixed in with what I’m already doing, but I’m seeing a TON of potential here and stoked you’re helping lead the way and give some tips on how to do it better!
Hi Vincent, have you tried the Schoeps MK41? I can’t recommend it enough. If quality sound is what you’re looking for, try a hyper-cardiod over a shotgun. You’ll get less of the hollow phasing sound when panning scenes and it will sound a lot more natural.
The russian made Oktava (oktavausa.com) are also pretty good.
Thank you Vincent for demonstrating in the best way possible the 5D Mk11. I have been in the movie business for 50 years and this is a major development. How do you cope with the sound? You use a Sony EX1 it has proper mic plugs and shoots onto SxS cards. It also has a great viewfinder, zoom lens and shutter controls. My ideal shoot kit would be both cameras a selection on Canon lens, a good tripod and head and some lite panels.
Just make a PAL version of the Canon for those of us on the other side of the pond.
thought the sennheiser mke 400 was better than the rod video mic…
it is surely more more compact and perhaps more suitable for ‘non pro’ shooting
I’m a video guy first & foremost, but I also do some stills. At the moment I have Nikon gear, including a fair number of classic old lenses, but I’m seriously looking at the Canon 5Dmk2 for the 35mm DoF and low-light capabilities.
Anyway, I’m also in the middle of a series of video reviews of those Pocket Recorders mentioned above.
Getting good sound is absolutely crucial to quality moving image production, and these little recorders are a big step in the right direction. Some hold synch with a camera better than others, which is something to bear in mind, but the ones listed above will do a decent enough job.
For the first two reviews [Yamaha Pocketrak 2G and M-Audio Microtrack 2} check here:-
Yamaha Pocketrak 2G Review
M-Audio Microtrack 2
Andy Mac
It’s a shame good audio equipment is so expensive. I’m not sure if i’ll be using any onboard audio for a while, so I have plenty of time to pick-and-choose which setup will work best for me.
Thanks so much for positing these tips Vincent, they’re really helping me and I’m sure they’re helping a lot of other people out there.
The Rode mic is a great mic. I purchased one when they came out and have used it with my Sony 3 chip camera. The quality is well above what you pay for the mic. I recommend it.
I agree with the Beachtek, having level control is important, before it hits the camera is good (don’t want to overload the convertors).
A slightly better option is the Mix Pre from Sound Devices. a couple of important features here are that it has meters and a headphone output. Important if you are really concerned about what you are really recording.
Vincent, how are you syncing the audio from the camera and an external recorder?
Guys, check out the DPA mics (4017 shotgun and their 4060/61 lav’s) Not “Rode cheap” but stunningly clear and very low handling noise.
I agree with the Rode recommendation. We use one with the XHA1 with great success… really a great mic for the money, all things considered… I still think there are better options for pure dialog, but for ambient etc… rode is the way to go.
I started a thread on this subject on DVInfo: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/open-dv-discussion/138934-trip-europe-follow-my-son-school-choir-what-do-i-use.html
There’s a lot of advice there that I’m really grateful for. Might be useful for others.
Neil
I started down the audio road to combine with stills 18 months ago. I tried all the field recorders you mention above. In the end I came to the conclusion that the best field recorder out there was the Sound Devices 702T. It has now travelled with me to the Arctic and Antarctic and in the field on extended multiweek backpacking trips in the Canadian Rockies and the North Pacific Coast. The key here is that it is tough and beautiful to use recording in full HD audio (24 bit 192 kHz) and the battery life in the field is totally excellent (even in cold climates) using standard, and very small, Sony video camera batteries. Spend the small amount extra on the timecode for later post production work or when you want to do some pro video work when someone asks, and they will.
There are lots of good mics out there. The most important aspect of the mic is the frequency response. 20 Hz to 20 kHz covers the range of normal hearing but you also want as flat of a response as possible for the mic. Check the frequency response charts and technical data of the mic. Really really good mics are expensive but last a lifetime. Don’t forget the importance of a windjammer, fuzzy cover and elastic suspension to reduce any wind problems and mic handling noise when recording. You can’t remove these sounds in post production, only reduce them. Better to record again and get a clean recording to save editing time.
For audio editing I use Soundtrack Pro 2.
Daniel Cormier Reply:
December 9th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
@Jason Puddifoot,
The Fostex FR-2LE he listed will also record 24-bit 192kHz sound (as well as lower bit rates), and is less than 25% of the cost ($600 on B&H) for the Sound Devices 702T ($2495 on B&H).
Granted, the build quality is lower and it doesn’t support timecode (I’m sure there are other limitations as well; there better be for that price difference), but it’s still a lot better than on-board sound in most cases and won’t break the bank for those of us with smaller budgets.
I’m in the middle of an independent film job where we just don’t have a big budget to work with and we didn’t have someone with field sound equipment so we had to purchase our own. In our case, the FR-2LE is working very well.
I can all but guarantee that we’ll be upgrading to that 702T for a future project, though.
Thanks for this tip, Vince. I just bought the ZOOM H2 digital recorder. It seems to record well, but I’m uncertain how well it will work on my film projects. Any thoughts anyone?
Thank God Vince, I literally ordered the Rode Video Mic two days ago and I was torn between the compact, yet fragile looking, Sennheiser MKE 400 and the Rode. I listened to dozens of audio comparisons between the two online and the Rode just sounded richer and looked a lot sturdier too. Any suggestions on a good middle of the road (read-couple hundred bucks) digital audio recording device? Also any quick and dirty solutions for splitting mono sound in post when you don’t have a Beach Tek splitter handy?
Matt, almost any audio program can create seperate channels (left and right) from a mono recording. You can do this many ways and tweek the sound to your liking. You can buy quite a few choices or seach the internest to find a free program which can be suprisingly good. I was recently looking at a new one called Wave Agent from Sound Devices. Give that a try. Free is a good price. Can’t help you with the idea on the recordind device. It all depends on what quality you want to achive. One idea is to check for used equipment on the internet.
Rode NTG-2 is my mic of choice. I am shooting with the Sony EX-3. Maybe I’ll switch to the Canon eventually. But I still haven’t figured out how long I can record with it. You say the max. file length is 4Gb. What does this mean? If I have a 16Gb card, I can record 4 clips? Does it simply stop recording? Have you done a test just running the camera until it stops?
I am Indonesian cinematographer n start to move to digital…I change my previous 5d to IR camera and cant wait to hv 5d mkll…thanks for the tips !
Yo Vincent, I’ve asked the guys @ Really Right Stuff if they’d wanna make a bracket for the 5D II with a mic option – youze wanna help spec it with me, for them? 😀 😀
Charles Reply:
December 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
@Andy Williams, No need to design something new, just check out RRS’s existing flash brackets. Since the small mics being discussed here mount in a shoe, any flash bracket will work and get the mic out of your way. I do hope RRS designs a video-oriented plate for the 5D, though. In the meantime, take a look at Bruce Dorn’s UBC solution:
http://www.idcphotography.com/blog/maura-dutra/now-available-idcs-u-boat-commander-kit-5d-mkii
Some various ways of mounting mics and monitors can be configured, and much less expensive than the redRock Micro solution.
Hi Vince!
Can you please post some photos, with both the Røde and the Sennheiser mics attached to the flash shoe? What will it look like? Smooth or retarded?
Hello!
My personal favorite after intensive testing against Sennheiser and Rode is the “tiny mike”, distributed by ambient recording. A miniature shotgun mic that fits on a camera shoe. Very good sound quality and very small. Needs 3 Volts.And 400$. I bought it for my Sony camcorder and I don’t want to miss it any more
Ronald/Hamburg
Hi Vincent. Thank you for all of this great information. How did you deal with not being able to control the aperture, shutter and asa in Liveview/video mode?
vincent, sorry about this but what kind of splitter are you speaking about.
thanks
never mind got it figure out thanks anyway
Vincent,
First of all, thanks for giving this freely and this generously of your time and experience to all of us.
As an audio guy and a dweeb who strives for journalistic accuracy I can’t help but cringe a wee bit when I read a broad, sweeping statements about a company or a piece of gear — directed at an audience which is largely inexperienced in the matter — that doesn’t also make any qualifications or disclaimers.
I’m sure we all have learned through working in our own fields, technical or otherwise, that the tool we use in a given situation depends on the requirements of that particular situation. Audio pros use a veritable arsenal of microphones. Visit any decent-sized video or film production and you’ll likely see the recordist employing a variety of mics from multiple manufacturers. Mics are basically just lenses for sound, and the analogy carries over in that every mic is better suited to some tasks than to others.
Just for the record, both Sennheiser and Rode make excellent microphones, as do many other companies.
The more you gather sound the more familiar you’ll become with the different kinds of mics and their applications, and the more you’ll come to appreciate the nuances between two otherwise very similar microphones.
Happy exploring!
Piyono
Thanks for this Vincent – all very interesting and promising. One quick note (seeing your next post is on Post-production in FCP) – it’s easy to cut in misc b-roll without messing up an “edited” audio track in FCP. Just create/edit the audio as you want it in the finished piece, and then LOCK the audio tracks (the padlock icon left of the timeline). This protects the audio and you can play with the video side to your hearts content without breaking synch. As mentioned, you’ll likely use stills or cutaways to cover the first round of edits.
That being said, I’m pretty sure my first shoot on this system will be using a Marantz recorder for audio 😉
Hello Vincent, first of all thank you for sharing tips and tricks. I’m a professor at Concordia University in Montreal (in Digital Imaging) and would like to share with you that I had a little chat with the production manager of BEACHTEK who confirmed to me that in the first weeks of January 2009, a device: DXA-5D will be coming out. It will have 2 XLR inputs, an LED to verify audio volume, and a headphone jack so you could listen to the audio as you record with the Canon 5D MK2. I have alrady put myself on the waiting list with the company so they will let me know as soon as it’s available. All the Best for the New Year, Anthony Teoli.
I bought the Rode VideoMic and when I record to the camera and the CF card I get great video, but I get a background mechanical roaring noise as well. This happens with both the Rode mic and with the built-in camera mic. Is this an internal noise that is being generated? Is anyone else finding a way to record audio through the camera?
My noise was coming from using an image stabilization lens with the motor turned on. The sound quality is much better now that I turned off the IS function.
Rode makes the NTG-3 which has favorable comparisons to the Sennheiser MKE 416, an industry standard for decades. It’s a shotgun (hypercardoid) that is water and rf resistant at a much lower price.
Dumb question from a Newbie- Is it easy to sync the sound to the video on the timeline from the recording (done on an external device) and the video from the camera? It seems to me this could be a big problem?
Thanks for this helpful page-
I have just purchased the RODE Videomic and was trying it out last night on my 5D2. I have noticed quite a bit of background hiss/noise in my first tests so I tried reducing the sensitivity to -10db and then -20db. I found that the recording level and sound quality at -20db was not very good and that at the -10db the recording level was ok but I’m still getting the hiss/noise.
Does anyone have any tips on what I can do about this, or possible how to remove it in post processing later. I have Final Cut Studio and Logic Express packages but have never used then before.
BTW, I have been using the 24-70mm f2.8 L with it in manual focus to ensure the noise is not AF-related.
Thanks, Stephen.
Eric Reply:
January 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am
@Stephen Halliday, I’m having the same issues with the Rode…much more hiss than the built in mic. Any suggestions anyone?
Larry Reply:
April 18th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
@Eric, same here. I just received a Rode Stereo VideoMic and the level of hiss is simply unbearable. If I use AGC or high manual settings orders of magnitude hiss than with the internal mic! If I turn down the camera’s pre-amp then the mic picks up so little that by the time I boost it later on, once again way more hiss than with the internal mic!
I mean it’s simply unusable.
Very confused I hear all these reports from people using it plugged straight into the 5D2 without using a juicedlink or anything fancy and they say it’s ok and then I try it and it is beyond hideous and I see a few similar reports scattered about, especially over the last year.
QC at Rode??
Everyone else somehow not hearing literally 20-30x more hiss than when using the internal mic??
I could understand if it had a similar level of hiss to the internal mic, but it’s odd that it has so much more. Maybe the interal has super high sensitivity and they don’t apply much gain to it??
Thank you for this advice. Piced up the Rode Video Mic. at the local Guitar center. In the store, I thought the size of this mic was huge. Camerabag issues will occur. With that aside. Great Mic, Thank you for the recommendation. Shot sons sparring (Karate) practice for the first time. Looks great on tripod wtih camera. Next issue attaching sony monitor.
Here’s the Canon EOS 5D audio sync issue or problem.
Last Wednesday I used my two 5D MkII’s in a 3 camera music video shoot. The third camera was a Sony PMW-EX1. Audio was recorded on two additional devices. One audio recording device was an Edirol R4 Pro. The other audio recording setup was a Tascam USB Interface to a MacBook Pro.
The Sony Camera, Edirol, and Tascam/MacBook Pro devices all synced sound perfectly over the full duration of the shoot (just over 20 minutes). To clarify – once the different sources are sync’d quickly and easily to the slate clap on the waveform at the beginning of the shoot they all stayed perfectly in sync for the rest of the video.
Both Canon cameras audio and video sync’d perfectly to each other but drifted significantly from the other 3 devices even over a 3 minute segment. The is a very serious problem for me and one that introduces significant post-production trouble and expense.
This issue was so unexpected (I haven’t run into this in years of working with a range of equipment) that I performed 3 subsequent tests to confirm that the 5D MkII’s run too fast. The results from the tests show both of my 5D Mark II run about 14 frames too fast in 10 minutes. Audio that is 1 full frame out of sync is noticeable on sharp sounds causing an echo. Audio that is 2 or 3 frames out of sync causes echo on any sound and looks odd in terms of lip sync.
That the two Canon cameras audio sync’d OK to each other tells me that the cameras can be calibrated to a standard. Evidently they are just calibrated to an incorrect standard.
Anybody else experience this? Does anybody really know if this is likely a chip issue or a firmware issue? Does anyone know an easy reliable way to get the clips to conform to the standard without time-consuming constant tweaking?
I contacted Canon tech support and the girl there couldn’t care less. She said: There is no fix and that the 5d isn’t really a video camera so what did I expect? Nice!
Will Reply:
February 1st, 2009 at 8:54 pm
@Michael White,
Hey Michael,
Did you factor in that the 5d mark II shoots at a true 30 fps? and if you are syncing the videos together by changing it to 29.97 or anything else its going to also change the audio slightly?
Richard Fairhead Reply:
March 19th, 2009 at 11:41 am
@Michael White,
Why not just front board and end board the long shots [20 minutes is a VERY long shot – under a minute more normal even for a long shot in cinematography] and then stretch to match.
Richard
I’ve been using the Azden SGM 1X hooked into my Sony PCM D-50. (tried it straight into the camera but much too much line noise). I then attach everything to cavision rails/shoulder support. Good, steady video, great sound but the package size has gone way up…
Vince, you write:
The Rode Video Mic – you can hook it onto your hotshoe and plug it right into the 5D MKII’s input – and it has great sound isolation through its integrated shock mount. (Use this in video only – when you go to shoot stills… it blocks the eyepiece) …
That is easy to fix… just get out a screwdriver and rearrange the mike a little… so it can stay seated on your hotshoe when shooting stills or video.
I just got my mark2 last week and just wanted to say thanks for putting so much extra time into documenting your passion and sharing this valuable information. I’ll keep coming back. I’m really inspired. Thanks.
I luv this area you have created Vincent 🙂 congrats…
To add my audio experience with the MkII, I have to say after shooting for 2.5hrs solid, I found several point of interest from this experience.
Firstly, I am not a pro photo or video person, I am just happy to play with a wonderful tool that over time I hope to understand better.
The video under the conditions (a workshop) is amazing and I am happy with a first time shoot.
The sound quality is good, however there is a popping sound in the background, which I suspect could be the data being written to the CF card (SanDisk Extreme III 16 Gb), so reading the reviews and comments here is really helpful.
I used 2 x 8Gb and 1 x 16GB CF card to capture about 2.5hours of footage.
There seems to be several issues around the shooting time of the video clips, as I noticed that after 20mins the camera would shutdown automatically. This was about 3.5Gb’s of data and i had to quickly restart the camera.
The camera was hot during the shoot and the battery was the critical link to the whole exercise as it lasted the 2.5 hours and had to be recharged at the lunch break.
I did not have a second battery at the time and now have ordered the BG-E6 battery magazine as well as other LP-E6 batteries. The LP-E6’s seem to be like hens teeth to find and so i am waiting on several supplies here in Germany to send me what i have ordered.
As to the on going process of shooting I will now try to run an external HDD on a USB cable to do the data storage as this would be better than the CF cards as far as storage goes. There may be speed problems with writing data, however I am willing to see what can come from this.
Maybe using the CS4 OnLocation facility might be another option. Not sure if anyone has tried this yet.
Anyway I luv my MkII and to all of you that have one also, lets play… 🙂
Thanks.
Great info Vinc, check out my video http://www.vimeo.com/3394224
Dear Vincent,
You have my respect for your ability. I am lost. How does a person link up the Fostex fr-2le or the Tascam HDP2 recorder to the Canon 5D MK2? There is no time code input or output on the camera and the fostex has no timecode? I called Canon and Tascam and they have no idea. Tascam keeps saying timecode and Canon has no idea what so ever.
Thanks for your reply in advance.
Howard Sheldon
Hey Vince, I just got the Pentax K-7 as I have quite a bit of top pentax glass. Have been fidling with the hd movie mode and love it. Only thing is sound… have you used the Rode STEREO Video Mic at all? Secifically for loud venues like a gig etc? where you would probably put the -10db switch to use.
My friends the joe public (www.myspace.com/thejoepublic) are releasing their single in 2 weeks with a UK tour starting this weekend.
I want to video them but was thinking for audio of using the Rode STEREO Video Mic to record audio possible plugged into my iphone or a mini disk recorder left near the back of the venue and then I am free to move around while videoing etc.
Would really appreciate some feedback on this 🙂
Hi Vincent,
I was actually considering using a Zoom H2 since I have one, that I’ve been using for my podcast.
You can adjust the rec level and palayback what’s been recorder. It’s small, lightweight and it has a multi directions mic…
Will we find a problem with focus, using a f/4 lens on the 5d mark II?
Hello Vincent,
I read your article about the Microphones sometime ago, but have only just decided to buy an external mic.
I just wanted to ask how much camera noise the Rode VideoMic pics up, do you hear the clicking of the command wheel or ‘handling’ of the body like you do with the internal Mic?
Best regards,
Alan.
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However, I wonder what those of you that record long clips have experienced in regard to audio sync. Only the Tascam HD-P2 has sync input that takes several formats including video on it (the setup is a bit complicated, though) but it will sync to a device’s composite “video out” and may also sync to component out (still experimenting on that). Have had the Tascam for a long time and only recently remembered the sync feature (never used it before). I own the T2i which has a/v out, so it should sync (it did sync with the composite video out of my Canon Vixia camcorder). I recorded in 96 kHz but 192 kHz should work as well on the tascam. I own the Sony D50 and several other audio recording portable devices that could work, but there seems to be no way to sync the audio with the camera for longer takes at that price point (south of SoundDevices or the Edirol r-4 Pro).
Have compared the Fostex with the Tascam years ago and preferred the Tascam, but the synching feature does give the Tascam an advantage for this kind use (if one is doing longer clips), specially now that the price of the Tascam has come down to under $700 which is almost half what I paid for it… 🙁
@Vincent Laforet, I’d second that. wait, not, not only second that, but go so far as to say that the audio was barely useable and was very noisy. The small size was tempting, but in the end, I’d rather have a larger mic, and great audio than a small mic and crap sound.
@Andrew Silk, – Just to clarify, I was referring to the The Senheisser MKE 400 being bad, not the rode video mic
Thanks for the article some great advice.
This might sound dumb, but what’s the difference between the Rode Videomic and the Videomic Pro? Besides the price of course… Which would one be better of using?
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