NAB Redux Pt.1: Cameras
This year’s NAB was a BLAST of fun and of new products and announcements. While there were literally tens of thousands of new products beings launched – and almost as many companies vying for my and other people’s attention – for me this was the year of the CAMERA, as a slew of new cameras and corresponding footage were released. But what really made this the “Year of the Camera” for me – or what kept me focused on the new cameras was Zacuto’s “Great Camera Shootout” camera test results that they were screening during the trade show (Zacuto won an Emmy last year for their tests).
PLEASE NOTE: GO TO THE 3rd CAMERA SECTION BELOW FOR NEVER BEFORE SEEN FOOTAGE FROM THE SONY F3 with the S-LOG firmware update.
Zacuto collaborated with ASC DP Bob Primes to test all of the top of the line cameras in a series of in-depth tests that I found incredibly revealing – so much so that I asked them to do a second screening for me to which I invited a select few people who I thought NEEDED to see these tests. I look forward to writing about these tests within the next few weeks on this blog – and I’ll be talking a lot more in depth about what I saw then.
Please note that the results below (and my opinions) are based BOTH on my own personal experience with the cameras, and other shoots I’ve seen others do with the cameras – NOT JUST the Zacuto tests (ergo – while the Epic was not in the group tested by Zacuto/Primes) I have seen a fair share of Epic footage from a variety of sources. And I’ve shot the Mysterium X sensor a number of projects.
Below are some quick observations only (i.e. not empirical data). So here are my personal findings based on the two screenings, and my personal experience with the cameras AS WELL – in other words, this is in no way meant to be an in depth post on the cameras below (that will come later) but just a quick overview. And these opinions are based on what I’ve seen in the tests AND through other sources.
I. WINNER: ERGONOMICS & RESOLUTION (AND CLOSE TO ALL AROUND WINNER) – RED’s EPIC
Pros: This is the camera everyone has been dreaming of. The form factor is simply put: perfect. When I mounted a Leica cine prime onto this camera – it was perfectly balanced for handheld work. I felt like I could go shoot an entire concert, a documentary, a portrait shot, or even a short film by myself – HANDHELD. No shoulder mounts, Steadicams etc… This felt like shooting with a Hasselblad Medium format camera. The fact that I would be shooting these at 5K didn’t hurt either. With Adobe’s CS5.5 Warp feature – the extra resolution will allow people to do handheld moves – that can look close to Steadicam work after processing (when output at 2K.) More on Warp another time… This is one of the – if not THE – hottest cameras to get right now. I heard a rumor today that NFL films purchased 150 of them… does that mean the end of film for NFL films? 150 is a lot of cameras if this rumor is true… The image quality is right up there with all other cameras – but none of them come in such a tight little package. The fact that this camera accepts PL, EF, and Nikon lens mounts is a plus, and the wonderful little wireless REDMOTE doesn’t hurt either. I saw Ted interact with the camera with his iPad – changing every setting, and even color curves live (and wireless) – IMPRESSIVE.
Cons: 1. The fact that EVERYONE wants one is a problem – it’s going to be awhile. That and the fact that RED and every other camera manufacturer is going to feel the effects of the Japan Tsunami in terms of the their parts supplies won’t help (expect EVERY camera manufacturer to have some substantial supply issues this year, not only were many plants hit by the Tsunami – but more importantly almost ALL of them had to shut down due to rolling blackouts… so everyone is behind.) Supply issues (whether w/ Red or Alexa or any manufacturer) is something to be considered seriously. It’s not just about getting your initial camera – but also about replacing it in case it gets lost/damaged… not easy when you’re trying to get your hands on the hottest camera in the world.
2. This is one of those “opinon” or “taste” things on a visual level. Having worked with the current Red MX chip in the RED ONE camera on a multitude of jobs I’ll say the following: the image is a bit too clean for me. I wish I saw more “grain/noise” in the image (Alexa has done this incredibly well.) Of course grain can be added in post (although as simple as that sounds, it’s yet another step in post – for example, the high end DaVinci Resolve I used on a recent project didn’t have that function, and we had to do a second pass to add “grain.”) Also – there is that golden area in the shadows that all cinematographers/photographers love. That area that is barely lit – I’d say in the 90%-95% shadow area. This is the only area where I don’t see this sensor performing as well as the Alexa for example. I’m being VERY nitpicky here.
NB: The Red One w/ MX sensor was used for the Zacuto test – NOT the Epic. That being said I have seen quite a bit of footage from the Epic and am basing my opinion on what I’ve seen in person, and in the Red projection booth at NAB.
II. WINNER OVERALL IMAGE QUALITY – ARRI’S ALEXA
Pros: This was the best image quality I saw in Zacuto’s test. It seemed to excel in every single test over the competition (rolling shutter being the only one where other cameras such as the Phantom Flex excelled.) The image’s sharpness, color rendition, low light performance, shadow detail was tops. Most people love this camera’s user interface as well – menus etc are perfectly placed. It sees into the shadows like few other cameras do – and how the engineers handle noise with this camera is wonderful – making it appear more like “film grain” if you will. One of the big surprises for me in this camera test was how most of the cameras did a significantly (I do mean SIGNIFICANTLY) better job at seeing into the shadows than Kodak motion picture film (motion picture film is known for its ability to hold highlights – not dig into the shadows – most of us know that – but this test showed just HOW MUCH SO.) This is one stunning camera.
Cons: 1. Availability – this too is a camera that is in incredible demand – see issues w/ that mentioned w/ Epic above. 2. Only 2K – while I don’t feel the need for 4K – I’d love to have it in my pocket to use features such as Adobe’s Warp stabilization feature and for other VFX uses… to me resolution has less to do with 4K display, as what you can do with the image in post (just as w/ still images) 3. Price and size – while both are much lower than they were just a few years ago – a full setup w/ tax will come to more than $80K and on the Plus version of the camera will come to close to $95K+. And you won’t be handholding this camera all day like the Epic above. If I were to buy one camera today – I’d be going back and forth between the Epic and Alexa.
III. WINNER – SURPRISE SHOCKER IMAGE QUALITY to PRICE ratio- SONY’S F3
Pros: I really didn’t like the Panasonic AF100 (see below) and I must admit to having mad a snap judgment on the F3. But when I saw the test results – every single time the F3 came up, you could hear people making a variety of noises during the screening – everyone was surprised to see this camera perform right up there with the big boys on most tests. This is probably going to be the surprise camera of 2011. Given its price tag, weight and form factor – it might just become the darling of 2011 for many. The image quality was stunning. I can’t say this until I get a copy of the test results from Zacuto and look at the images side by side – but I have to say that it came very very close to the Alexa and Epic. And excelled in the low light/shadow areas.
And then – in comes S-log and you all just watch out… Zacuto’s tests didn’t have the benefit of S-log because it wasn’t available then. But somehow – at 2 O’Clock in the morning last Wednesday I became involved in another crazy test. Khalid Mohtaseb and Jonathan Bregel from Next Level Pictures got their hands on of the first Sony F3 cameras w/ the S-Log firmware update from Abel Cine. (I’m rushing to publish this – but I would say the following: if you want to find some of the most impressive up and coming filmmakers/DPs in the business to keep an eye for – check out the credit list of this team…. when they asked me to join this little experiment – I didn’t hesitate for a second. Khalid, Jon, Timur, Tyler etc… these guys are going to go places! Go to their site here to read Next Level Picture’s blog post about this test.)
I’ll let the videos speak for themselves below – you will clearly see how incredibly well this cameras deals with highlights in S-log. I’m not going to go as far as to say this is an Alexa contender YET – but I’d definitely like to see side by side tests w/ the F3 w/ S-Log and the Alexa and Epic… keep in mind – I was impressed with this camera BEFORE THE S-LOG was available…
Cons: can’t really think of any at this point… this camera lives in that sweet spot between the Epic/Alexa price points systems and the significantly cheaper (and pro-feature-lacking) HDDSLR range.
Here are the videos that should speak for themselves:
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and the behind the scenes video (the silly aviator glasses I’m wearing are a cheeky reference to “Reverie.”) I recommend you watch the entire video – as many of Khalid and Jon’s opinions mirror my own about where this camera fits in and what it has the potential to do to the existing market…
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IV: WINNER – BIGGEST UNEXPECTED SURPRISE IN TERMS OF IMAGE QUALITY – PHANTOM’S FLEX
I LOVE the Phantom. Some of you may remember the Famous Footwear spot that I shot with the Phantom Gold – it’s predecessor. I knew then that this was a gorgeous camera and sensor.
Pros: ZERO rolling shutter. Like film. And the Flex’s sensor holds up incredibly well with all of the cameras above – surprisingly so when you consider the camera’s primary focus is on high speed capture – not low light etc. The color, and dynamic range of this camera are impressive in Zacuto’s tests – much much better than what I would have assumed. The low light performance is not quite as spectacular as some of the cameras above – but not that far behind.
Cons: Price is a big factor on this one and the camera isn’t designed to be quite as nimble as many of the cameras above.
V: BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT – PANASONIC AF-100
I was so rooting for this camera when it came out. Unfortunately, this camera is a big let down for me. The ergonomics, button layout, endless menus – and most importantly, the image quality – are lacking. The images look like video – chroma issues abound, over-sharpening, very very strange yellow (other) color casts in the highlights… and the kit lenses – ouch. I really have little to say that I like about this camera – it’s one of the first ones that I tried out on a job/shoot- and immediately lost interest. Please note that I am basing my opinion on this camera on BOTH the Zacuto tests and first hand experience with the camera. I’ll go over this in more details in the upcoming blog post I mention above…
VI: TBD – Sony’s F65:
NB: There was no chance to compare this footage side by side with anything else – and no price has been officially set – so the camera is not “rated” per se. But 8K sensor rendering a true 4K image is pretty darn impressive!
Pros: The camera’s image quality was wonderful in the screening room. It wasn’t part of Zacuto’s tests – so I really can’t say much more.
Cons: it’s TBD because no real price has been announced… this camera line tends to get very bulky very quickly as well… how this camera will fare when their F3 is doing such and incredible job is the big question here… other than high end Hollywood productions (see big film/TV Studios) – who is going to buy this camera when the F3 is out there? (People who need 4K and large productions of course.)
VII: Canon HDSLRs – STILL A PLAYER GIVEN ONE FACTOR: PRICE AND AVAILABILITY:
Canon had no camera announcements at NAB this year. There really isn’t much to report on the HDDSLR front at this point. In the Zacuto tests – these cameras were players, not necessarily contenders. The image quality, sharpness, moire issues, and compression definitely weren’t up to snuff with the cameras above – NONE of the cameras above. But if you factor in the price of these cameras compared to all of the systems above, you will understand why 90%+ of users (that aren’t top end productions) will still gravitate towards the Canon HDDSLRs simply because of the affordability, size, and weight of these cameras. While the images were nowhere nearly as pristine as the Alexa, Epic, Phantom or F3 – the quality is still plenty good enough for most, especially when you’re not doing side by side tests like we saw at NAB. Truth is – these cameras are being used consistently on broadcast commercials, television series, and motion picture films. And you don’t have to wait a few months to get your hands on these cameras – which is also a BIG factor for most… More to come soon about all of this – with a much more detailed write up on the Zacuto/Robert Primes test within the next few weeks…
Lastly check out this fun recap from NAB:
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Vin,
Thanks for sharing…this was a great quick review and I am sure there are more to come in the next few months.
-Sandrino
Vincent Laforet Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
You are welcome – and yes – there will be for sure!
Thanks for compiling this info. Sounds like the test was a lot of fun.
Best,
Richard
Nice writeup Vincent. I too had a watch of the SCCE video at the show and was also most surprised about films lack of ability to pick shadow detail out. It was quite staggering. It was also an eye opener to see how much color detail was lost in compression with the Canon DSLRs. The test with the colored concentric circles was very revealing and worth a mention I’d say. Overall I loved the Alexa though. I thought the footage from the Sony F65 at 4k was much more pleasing than Red’s 4k movie that they were playing as well. Though given different projection setups it’s a hard one to call.
Vincent, awesome of you to share all this info. People like me (in Nigeria) look up to people like you to remain up to date with this stuff. Cheers man
Vincent Laforet Reply:
April 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Thanks Soji – thanks for the comment and continuing to check the blog!
Nice straight review from a legit person. Thanks Vincent.
@Dan Carr, The Sony F65 was IMPRESSIVE – but I really wasn’t able to see side by side footage so I decided not to even touch the issue for that reason. Sony’s demo footage was shot in mostly good light – whereas RED’s Epic film was shot with very “film noir” / “Godfather” lighting if you will… hard to compare. Did you notice stuttering in some of the playback? I wonder if it had to do w/ the 8K sensor – wonder if it’s more susceptible to stuttering when the camera pans/tilts/moves as a result…
Great post Vincent.
RED Epic:
“Cons: 1. The fact that EVERYONE wants one is a problem”
🙂
Great post Vince. On top of sh*t as usual. Keep killin’ it man.
Enjoyed reading this quick review.
Ofcourse it isn’t available yet. But based on present specs and footage, how would you anticipate the Sony FS100 will perform compared to the above cameras? It is said to have the same sensor as the F3 and outputs to 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 as well (though at 8 bit unfortunately, afaik). Would love to hear your opinion on this.
Cheers,
Richard
Very interesting to see how this is evolving.
I remember that last year’s (?) season’s finale of Dr House MD was shot with a 5D MkII (and what great footage it was!).
I can only imagine the great films coming out of these tiny monsters you described here.
Still the 5D and similar cameras have opened up the field for so many young and talented videographers, which is great. Keep up teh good work and enjoying it!
Cheers, Harry
Just a stab in the dark here…but is it possible you didn’t spend enough time learning the AF100? I know the DSLR Elite love to bash the AF100, but the proof is in the pudding for me: the beautiful images I’ve seen come out of this camera. But those images are the result of someone taking the time to experiment and understand the camera’s limitations.
And to bash the kit lenses is kind of lame. Who in hell in their right mind is going to use those?
Hi Vincent,
Nice man. Yes hard to go back shooting on 5D that we all shot so many stuff on and were amazed by, after seeing what other REAL video cameras do. After all 5D is a still camera and what we have been doing are pure happy accidents.
Ultimately we are paying premiums on big boys for usability/functionality(seamless integration with third party accessories, HD-SDI outs, recording options, fps options, frame line, among many others) as production cameras, on top of obvious image quality. People will continue using 5D, or its successors for the reasons you mentioned, and film will only continue to be scarce, sadly. S-Log test looked good, not better than Alexa(or RED MX), and strangely, all I can think of is… that would have looked so much better on film. But that has become out of questions to many… Only if F3 gets cheaper, like under $10k. NES-FS100 looks promising but less likely that it would have an S-Log option. Hope it will, and maybe people will figure out how to take advantage of S-Log, as it does need some knowledge to do so.
@Ron I, I will admit I am being a bit harsh for sure. Truth is: I’m still not impressed with this camera. But for it’s price point – it’s quite good indeed. What you need to keep in mind is what it’s being compared to (keep in mind it’s being compared to sub $1,000 / HDDSLRs as well.) The kit lenses are really really bad – sorry – hard to forgive that either. Ultimately – this is a great documentary camera. BUT – I stand by what I said the first time: I find the image quality a tremendous let down – regardless of price/sensor size etc. Fair enough?
Great post Vincent…
Would love to know your thoughts on the RED Scarlet,?
would you say it’s the next step up as in cameras for filmmakers that currently use 5DMKII-1DMKIV, that can’t afford the Alexa or Epic or would you say save more for the F3?
Prob an annoying question, ha….sorry man!
Vincent Laforet Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:45 am
Not annoying at all. I’m looking forward to seeing one in use. I’m not crazy about the size of the sensor – but this could be a fantastic documentary camera. Can’t wait to see what RED does w/ this camera.
Wow, awesome post Vincent! Great info, really grabbed on to the important things coming out of NAB this year.
I was wondering if you have gotten to look at/play with the Sony NEX FS 100 yet.. I know there are some pre-production models floating around. Considering that it has the same sensor as the F3, but a significantly lower price point I would be interesting to hear your thoughts!
Vincent Laforet Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:45 am
I am looking to test the FS 100
Vincent, sorry if this is a weird question, but did you happen to be in Firenze/Florence a few weeks back?
We were queueing outside of this museum and I thought I saw someone who looked like you.
Great post, by the way 🙂
Hi Vincent, this is probably a dumb question, but can Canon lenses be used/mounted on the F3? Admittedly I am new to things “beyond the still.” I appreciate you sharing so much with all of us. 🙂
Thank you for the nice review.
I’m surprised the RED is chosen before the Alexa. In Europe, the Alexa has replaced every single RED that was professionally in use. RED guys might understand the indie/no money market, but I’m afraid they don’t truly get the professional one.
Here’s something Red can learn from ARRI: reliability is paramount, workflow is decisive, info doesn’t have to be deeply buried in forums, vapourware only damages the brand, permanent state of Beta is not good for anything and Skulls, Tattoes.. etc, really? Do you think that’s the right way to approach professional Producers, Corporations, Directors and DPs? And did I mention reliability?
I’m very glad RED started this revolution, but ARRI has wiped them out of the pro market (over here at least). Specs (as 4K) only matter to amateurs. Prices don’t mind, as all cameras are rented for the job, be a day or a month, and their rental fees are peanuts in the whole production.
On another note, looks like the F3 with S-Log is going to be THE camera for all independent cinematographers (those who insist in owning all the equipment).
@Henry, If I were shooting films with a full crew – I’d have to debate between the two bodies pretty seriously. With a full crew and all of the camera support – I’d probably lean towards the quality of the Alexa for low light work no doubt. That being said – once you hold the Epic in your hands – you understand that its size will open an incredible amount of creative doors for you. Imagine jumping on a plane or in you car w/ a backpack and two lenses – and shooting 5K… hanhheld…no support… simple. It’s very very very hard to resist… make sense?
@steven LL, Yes – Birger has announced a mount to support EF lenses.
@Vincent Laforet, Thanks for the reply man..appreciate the time you give for how bizzy you are 🙂
Best wrap up ive seen yet – thanks