Digital RailWreck
It’s no secret that I’ve been a fan of Photoshelter over Digital Railroad since the beginning – and the reason for me was clear: I knew and trusted the people and the technology at Photoshelter.
Both are online photo storage sites where professional (and amateurs) store backup copies of their work online – and in some cases originals. The idea is that having all of your work on your hard drives/RAID in one location is not the best backup strategy, storing them online on professional grade servers is a great idea – not to mention that both Photoshelter and Digital Rail Road (DRR) offer a variety of other services to sell your photos to others as well.
I know a lot of people who work for Digital Rail Road and have struck up good friendships with them – but at the risk of making enemies – I will say this:
Shutting down the DRR online storage site – and giving all of your customers less than 24 hours notice to retrieve their data – is ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE. Many companies (such as the VII Agency) have come to rely on DRR to run their businesses – and it’s outright irresponsible to expect them to be able to get all of their content off of your site with any notice shorter than one month – or at the very least a few days.
Then you add the fact that everyone will then try to download their content simultaneously – and your bandwidth will dwindle instantly – and your pretty much ensure the digital apocalypse…few if any will be able to retrieve all of their images in time – before the servers are shut down. This is utterly irresponsible of them – it’s completely reprehensible. It’s something they should revisit immediately.
The fact that they start up their apology letter with “To our valued Members and Partners” is laughable – but not funny at all.
Remember – these are sites where people back up their life’s work – their “best of” – their “keepers.” Imagine the pour soul who just had their hard drive fail today – but has been paying to store his/her images on DRR – only to find them all gone almost overnight. Or an agency that has invested hundreds of hours in keywording and captioning thousands of images on the DRR site… only to see all of that work evaporate in a day. This is not good for them, for the industry – for anyone.
Shameful.
I’m not even a customer of theirs – and I’m infuriated. In fact I’ve endorsed their main competitor for years * and if anything I should be gloating. I’m a fellow photographer however – and I feel terrible for all of those affected. I think that says a lot.
Here is what one poster on sportsshooter wrote:
“Very saddened by the closure of DRR. A few hours ago I received an e-mail announcing the closure of operations and immediately tried to migrate images to another site without success. All services of DRR are congested and saturated. Long queues of pictures waiting to move for syndication to other servers. Nothing react in time. It is shameful.
I live in Argentina, a country accustomed to bankruptcies and closures, but this is very serious.
How it is possible that DRR break? With so many good customers into their community making pays their membership on time? Who defends us from the scam?
In less than 24 hours I have to migrate nearly 10,000 pictures or resign itself to lose a lot of time to work.
There are some laws that protect us?”
There should be…
The very least the DRR execs could do – is pull out their personal paychecks – and pay to keep the servers online for another few days – or however long it takes for people to retrieve their data – you owe it to your clients – and to the industry.
From now on – do your research – before you entrust a company with your life’s work – and all of the time you will put into keywording and uploading those files. Look at the technology they are using and how their company is being run. There is a reason my work is stored on the Photoshelter servers. And I hope that doesn’t come off as a sales pitch.
* Note: I have endorsed Photoshelter since its inception – and have at no time been remunerated in any way by them. I did initially get a relatively small amount of space from them to store my images and test their service – but have since then paid for my storage and the fees like everyone else. I backed them because of who was running the company (their character) the technology they chose over DRR, the way they ran their business – and because I knew the founders personally. I think it’s important to state that here as I give the furthest thing from a glowing review of DRR.
“Imagine the pour soul who just had their hard drive fail today…”
Murphys law… always asume the worst case scenario.
Happened to me recently to… 2 500 Gbtyte mirrored raid drives failed simultaneously… external backup drive also happens to fail that day… 450 Gbyte of data lost, disappeared, gone…
… tried a low level data recovery service but all data is low level corrupt…
the moral of the story, rely on more than one backup. In the case of DRR what if the company would have declared insolvency? They would have shut shop without even given you 24 hours notice.
So I can only second your recommendation for people to do proper research about a company before they put all their eggs in one basket.
Terry Thomas Pho.. Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Exactly why mirrored drives are a BAD idea!
Use a RAID 5 configuration of:
4 or 5 drives
1 hot spare
Put the drives in a non-networked computer with a quality RAID controller. (Non-networked to protect from a network aware virus.)
Terry Thomas
President
PC Tech Support
Atlanta, Georgia USA
Parick McHugh Reply:
November 6th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Digital railroad should have had a backup in the form of an insurance policy that covered the cost of running the servers for an extended period in the event of business failure.
Aye. I’ll be taking notes of the names of every DRR executive and investor. If I ever see them as employees or investors of any photography service, that service will not get my business. Period. This is really disgraceful.
And I have to ask the same question as the sportsshooter poster: how is it possible that they can fail? How can this brand, this market, this technology, be worth nothing and just be thrown away overnight? There is at least $1M yearly revenue in this company. Somewhere, someone should able to operate this at a profit.
HuggyBear Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Charles Mauzy and Mark Mark Ippolito are known to create wreckage to whatever they touch in the world of Stock Photography in Seattle according to more than a few opinions in the local industry. I have heard stories of dinners costing $1000’s. Last minute plane tickets needing to be purchased due to poor planning. Very expensive wine served at monthly DRR events and insane exec. salaries. That’s how you burn through millions of Venture Capital quickly and screw your contributors. The execs there are scum.
Joe Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
It only took Mauzy 3 years to kill DRR.
Wednesday, November 16, 2005
Digital Railroad: Charles Mauzy Named As President
Reuters reports today (yet otherwise no official press release availabe; see also The Seattle Post Intelligencer on this topic) that Digital Railroad has named “former Microsoft Corp. executive Charles Mauzy president of Digital Railroad”:
Charles Mauzy left Microsoft on Monday for the New York-based company, after serving as general manager of the Windows Media, Entertainment & Technology Convergence Group [more backgrounds here and here].
Mauzy, a five-year veteran of the firm, also was the founder of Microsoft’s Rich Media Group, and was responsible for planning the company’s long-term digital imaging strategy and managing its business relationships dealing with photography, the company said.
He will open a Digital Railroad office in Seattle and will be charged with growing the company’s sales and marketing operations.
Seattle is home to Getty Images, the world’s largest provider of stock photography and images, as well as Corbis, which ranks second behind Getty and is owned by Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates.
At Corbis, Mauzy focussed on acquisition of content from professional photographers, museums, public archives and other sources.
Charles Mauzy served earlier on the Board of Advisors for Digital Railroad. Previously he worked as Director of Media Development for Corbis and as Vice President of Business Development for EyeWire.
Related: This was my first story on Digital Railroad in August 2004.
[Update: here´s the press release]
Wednesday, November 16, 2005 in Companies, People | Permalink
Joe Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
http://www.digitalrailroad.net/cmauzy/Default.aspx
Ottmar Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Mr. Mauzy’s URL says time to move on. I’ve been watching this evolve over the last few years, was approached more than once, and had a gut feeling my pocket was being picked. As a Canadian I’m not up on American law, but surely, after blowing an estimated $20 million, the venture investor and photographers must have some course of legal action.
My sympathies to all; I know how hard you’ve worked.
Ottmar Bierwagen
What do you think about SmugMug – is this a worry with them to?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Daniel –
I have known the people at SmugMug for only a short time. But I must say that I am very impressed with their management and fiscal management as well. They use Amazon’s S3 storage and obviously Amazon is not likely going away any time soon.
Andy Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Hi, I’m from SmugMug. We’ve got a different approach than many other companies… we’re bootstrapped, not venture-backed. That means, we run our business like you do, meaning we pay our bills with money we earn. We dont’ get ahead of ourselves. We’re profitable, have been since our first year 6 years ago, and intend to stay that way 🙂 Our storage model is saving us tons of money and providing for huge reliability.
Daniel Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Thanks Vincent for your vote of confidence, and a really big thanks to Andy for your assurances. I’ve been with SmugMug for 3 years, have 3 Pro Accounts, and continue to turn new users on toward SmugMug. I really hope SmugMug continues their awesome customer service and continues to look out for their customers the way have. Thanks again!
Robert Varga Reply:
November 8th, 2008 at 6:51 am
I have just signed up with Smugmug using the code digitalrailroad to get a 50% discount and regret not singing with them to begin with. DRR management would have known what was going on months ago yet continued to take money from people to the end – they have shown the lowest of low business practices. They owe me nearly 10 months of my subscription – my email to them shows as being read but has so far gone unanswered. I can consider that money as being written off. I don’t know if Photoshelter will fare any better – they may just get a boost from DRR clients migrating over.
I’m using Smugmug to sell and store my images online and locally I have the images on a 1Tb drive which backs up nightly to a network shared Drobo with 4x 1Tb drives. The situation with DRR should be a lesson to everyone that you can never have enough backups or ever put all your eggs in one basket.
What will happen with the images of all photographers who have no time to delete all images someone will save the server hardware and sell it?? put it in a other database by other name, or chance the name of all photographer in to …….. how can you find your images latter only by good luck. I have seen no thinking about this problem ??
John Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
The problem with this is that this storage is likely in some sort of storage farm, which would be akin to putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. Unless the all the drives are plugged back into the same servers in the same configurations with the same network connections, IP addresses, security settings, etc., You’re just going to get a lot of invalid drive errors.
lets be fair to DRR staff and look at things from a different perspective.
DRR staff would not just shut down the site if they had a choice, and I would think that they would have given more notice and wound down if they had a choice, but if you turn up to work just to be told your job has gone what choices do you have.
The liqiudators, receivers and maybe outsite hosting companies would want to stop any more financial drain to give the best return in the $ to the DDR suppliers, and are the ones that would have taken this action without a thought to subscribers, we do not know if the DRR servers were leased through another company, if they are shut out of thier offices, and a fact of life is if there is no money to pay the bills the plug gets pulled.
We are all in the hands of many service providers, for our daily life, water, power, banks, insurance, mortgages, credit, and also our virtual life, stock images, websites we own and use, email etc:, and we just assume that these companies are sound and we have to put our trust in them, what else can we do.
David
Vincent Laforet Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 9:41 am
David –
I am not knocking the staff – as you said they also got the short end of the stick – but I do hold the executives responsible for the now less than 24 hour notice.
david Cox Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 10:38 am
no problem,
I do agree the management could have done more, it seems like more of a rollercoaster than a railroad, it looks like they could not even manage a system that had no free accounts only paid, and may have over traded and over borrowed, and while they were trying to unload the company they would not want to scare the subcribers by giving them a month’s notice, and now they have failed and have no clear exit strategy, while not wanting to spend another cent on a dead donkey.
We do not know if they have gone into receivership or liquidation, enforced or voluntary, and we do not know how much control if any the DRR management have over current events, as I read that the senior management had already moved (jumped ship)earlier this month.
David 🙂
Worst and sad case..
The people that pulled the plug are the receivers:
Diablo Management Group
1452 N. Vasco Road, #301
Livermore, CA 94551
Could at least give 7 days’ notice to move the work. Imagine agency like VII agency.
I too prefer PhotoShelter over DRR. But no company is safe, but digital data is a sensitive area.
Dear all,
My five cents: Never relay on one single backup solution ! Should be obvious … Personally, I have all my image archives on a RAID-5 system, which is backup-ed on Tapes (stored at a different location). Recent works is copied to a second disk farm (for fast and easy access). Very “valuable works” is burned on Archival DVDs in addition.
Some say I am paranoid, well, as Vincent’s report tells us, I would say, I am not …
Peter
Vincent Laforet Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Ditto – indeed.
jimgolden Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
I’ve found that people (myself included) dont learn till they have had a close call. I’m tripled backed up (w/ 1 offsite), we’ll leave it @ that…
Tim Howland Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
“Tripple backed up” – is that 3 copies total or 4 ? If 3, it’s only double backed up. 😉 (FWIW, I have only 3 HDD copies, 1 offsite. I also have many of my best at SmugMug, so guess that’s 4, 2 offsite…)
While photoshelter undoubtedly is a good company, they are not immune to financial problems either, this was proven only recently by their stock collection going out of business.
I think this just serves as a warning not to put all your egs in one basket (or even two). Do your captioning and keywording locally so you have all your files with complete information, have backups (preferably off site) and store your really important images on more than one server.
But I assume most people did this anyway, so the images won’t be the biggest problem, loosing this marketing instrument is. So I am sorry for all those photographers losing this market place for their photos. Good thing photoshelter can step in and take their place for the most part.
Patrick Baldwin Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Jans right. I am a DRR archive owner and I’m busy moving stuff to Photoshelter and deleting from DRR’s servers hopefully before the servers get switched off. Anybody who only has their files on these servers with no local backup is asking for trouble. I had done some keywording on the site in the early days but downloaded all my files again last week in order to get the keywording. A little bit of research would tell you not to keyword on a site and do it locally. It is reprehensible that we have only been given 24 hrs to evacuate but I blame Diablo not DRR’s employees. I was strangely sad pulling an allnighter last night trying to move and delete from DRR. It was like seeing a friend drift away in to the night. Weird.
My worry is now about PS and how stable they are. I guess only time will tell if I’m wasting money there as well. Hopefully not.
Grover Sanschagrin Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Patrick: PhotoShelter has no debt, and is able to support itself indefinitely with the amount of revenue it is generating. You’re not wasting your time, and we’re not wasting our money.
hi.
foreseeable, like too many others these days (sad though):
http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/10/digital_railroad.html
edZ
We don’t like to see this, ever, in our industry. But we do like to help refugees – so if you’re from Digital Railroad and are looking for a place to land, maybe we can help. Info.
Tim Howland Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
I put in my plug for SmugMug. Amazing staff, execs. (without knowing them personally)
To any other fellow hobbyists out there, online backup is recommended for anyone that takes digital pictures they care about. Mozy.com and Carbonite.com are two companies that allow you to backup all that you need for about $5 a month.
I’m currently slowly uploading 94 Gig’s of pictures (38% so far!) and I hope I never need use it. 🙂
Peter Fauland Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Hi Wayne,
Just checked it out. Looks indeed interesting. But as far as I understood, ONLY the internal drive of your computer is backed up. To get back the OS on my computer and the software is not a big deal. All the data on the external drives (RAID-5, disk farm) are the serious part. External drives are not possible to include in the backup, correct me if I am wrong ….
Peter
Wayne Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Hi Peter,
From my experience with Mozy it’s any locally attached storage to the system running the software.
In my situation I’m running a old PowerMac in the basement with a Drobo (*Awesome* home “RAID” – http://www.drobo.com) hooked up to it and sharing everything to the rest of the house.
I am NOT backing up anything from the internal system drives.
So, the Drobo is connected via USB and as long as it’s mounted to show up in OSX the Mozy client has no issues with uploading files from it.
I’ve not tried a mounted network share to see if that’ll work. (Actually, I haven’t tried much since I don’t want to screw anything up until everything is uploaded.)
If your RAID-5 is connected to a Windows or Mac OS to appear as local storage (USB, Firewire, eSATA, etc..), you should be able to use it.
I don’t have any NAS devices to try. The only thing stopping it would be deliberate blocking by either Mozy or Carbonite. I’m hoping at some point in the future to play around with FreeNAS as a secondary backup in the house.
Hopes this helps,
Wayne
Wayne Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
While looking up something else I stumbled around the FAQ and found these points that might help you:
Does Mozy support network drives?
Network drives are supported by MozyPro server licenses. MozyHome and MozyPro desktop licenses do not support network drives.
*Does Mozy support external drives?
Mozy only supports drives that Windows recognizes as “fixed.” Mozy does not support “unfixed” or removable drives such as thumb-, or flash, or external drives. If you want to back up data from a removable drive, first copy the data onto one of your fixed drives, and then select the data for back up.
IMPORTANT NOTE: If you have selected files from an external drive to be part of your regular backup and you unplug or turn off the drive while your computer is running, MozyHome will detect that the files are gone and will assume that you no longer need them. Those files will then be marked for deletion. After 30 days, the files will be deleted from our servers and you will not be able to get them back.
Kenya Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I would suggest JungleDisk. I’m uploading the remainder of my photos to it now. It is essentially a user interface (with Mac, Windows and Linux versions) for Amazon S3 that can also be mounted as a WebDav disk. Unlike Mozy, it can function just as well in scheduled back-up mode as in continuous-running mode and it can backup external drives. The upload times have been significantly faster for me with JungleDisk+Amazon S3 than they were with Mozy, which makes me wonder if Mozy throttles upload speeds. Mozy is less expensive ($5 for everything). JungleDisk+Amazon S3 is the cost of the the disk space (15 cents per GB) and the user interface ($20 after a thirty-day trial).
Does anyone have another computer on at a friends or parents with a copy of the files on an ftp server?
Why wouldn’t they offer some way of saying “if you need more time- pay $20 for an additional week”. At least that’s better than losing your data in one day
Really? These people are so crazy to backup on online servers… that is quite strange for me. If you want another secure place… deposit your data in a secure box in your bank, not your money in the same bank account.
Some things overlooked:
1. Some of us paid an annual fee, and paid on Sept, 2008. While trying to reconcile with the credit card company, it is a pain to dispute.
2. Some of us had sales through DRR that are pending (to the tune of thousands). Those will be next to impossible to collect.
3. The servers at DRR are over loaded, and transfers to PS are a waste of time at this time.
4. I am unset with PS. Last week I asked for the same FTP instructions to transfer files from DRR to PS that they were giving out to new customers. I was told that FTP instructions would be sent this week. It appears they were helping new customers transfer files, while keeping long term members of PS waiting for their ftp instructions. No email announcing that ftp was available.
Grover Sanschagrin Reply:
October 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Tony – it took us a little time (less than a week, which is pretty remarkable) to get the FTP option implemented, in direct response to the DRR news.
We had it working over the weekend, and I personally helped 3 individuals move their data right from the PhotoPlus Expo showroom floor.
Before we roll out anything, we test things to make sure everything is working smoothly. The weekend was our testing period. Those 3 individuals were “beta testers” working under our direct supervision.
You can’t just roll out a feature without testing it, especially if you know that so many people will be immediately using it, and it simply must work flawlessly.
We, like you, figured there would be at least a week’s advance notice of a final shutdown – but that wasn’t the case.
We moved as fast as we could here, and if you’re upset with us because we didn’t move fast enough, I’m sorry.
But what other company would drop everything to push out a new feature in less than a week – when most of the staff was out of the office dealing with a trade show?
I like to control my work, and not pay for it. I have a server set up in the other end of the city that I access. Makes more sense to me.
Vince- You are right.
I used DRR simply b/c VII and Redux type agencies were using them. But I see that Redux’s site is not on right now. I took off from work yesterday to deal with the situation.
I do not feel valued by DRR.
I should have made the switch when their system crashed one w/e (lets not forget THAT). It took them DAYS to recover my pics. Even then I lost some files.
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I have sales reports dating back 6 months that were never paid.
DRR just made the sales and stole the money. I’m sure most of my other sales went unreported and they just kept the money.
We were recently billed in advance for another year of service only to have them shut it down a few weeks later. This is stealing!
Shutting it down with no notice or ability to migrate our files tells us who we are dealing with here. Unethical/Criminals
This is not just bad business it is criminal.
Charles Mauzy is just your typical breed of greedy CEO criminal with no morals or ethics
Rick D.
why don’t run people their own system to store images? maybe it’s not the cheapest way to sell your stuff if you need to pay for a whole server, but it’s your own and you decide what happens to your images!
I recommend SmugMug. They’re open, honest, and profitable. Great service!
I guess what really got a lot of people is not that the site was just backup but that it was (as an early post put it) a market place.
Title: UPDATE: Digital Railroad servers back up
Feature: Daily News
Date: 29 October 2008
Photographers looking to retrieve their tagged images from the now-extinct Digital Railroad have one more chance to access the DRR servers, BJP has learnt
While Digital Railroad announced that it would allow photographers to retrieve their images for 24 hours, the servers were closed down earlier today. However, they now appear to be back up online.
Faced with the possibility of losing thousands of tagged images, Digital Railraod users started transferring their content to competing hosting sites such as Photoshelter. However, access to the DRR servers was disabled at 00.36 this morning (US Eastern Time).
BJP continues to monitor the situation. In the meantime, you can check our full coverage here.
If you have been affected by DRR’s closure, contact us at bjp.news@bjphoto.co.uk
In their site says at the end:
-Please contact Diablo Management Group for additional information: info@diablomanagement.com
and DIABLO (is spanish word) means DEVIL!!!
coincidence?
I have been caught up in this debacle. Tried to move my images to PS last night. No dice. Tried again today after hearing the DRR server was supposed to be up. No good so far. I do have backups of everything, but I will lose my keywording. Also have payments pending from DRR. Guess I’ll never see those either. What a clusterf**k! Welcome to the world of professional photography. Been doing this for 30 years and I have never seen the business in this kind of overall shape before.
Vincent:
I agree with your sentiments, and appreciate your concern for us train wreck victims. I would also add that there were many of us that had the same business faith in the founders of DRR, based on their industry background. They also made a good choice with their Marketplace by shifting focus on building a buyer base, and that part seemed to be showing some fruits for it’s efforts compared to what was going on with the PSC. But as I mentioned on my own weblog, and in at least one forum, at least PSC was closed with class, understanding, and professionalism. The far extreme from the debacle of DRR.
This is one more nail in the Live by the VC Funding, Die by the VC Axe coffin,.
I’d like to add–for those photographers looking for an offsite storage/archiving solution (especially former DRR photogs), you can get your own Amazon S3 account and upload your images to it using supported FTP clients. You simply pay monthly based on usage. It’s quite affordable.
Get an account at:
http://aws.amazon.com/s3/
Supported Mac clients:
http://www.panic.com/transmit/
http://cyberduck.ch/
Vincent
I was an early supporter and advocate of Photoshelter over DRR, and I like Grover & the guys running Photoshelter. But, the editing process at the Photoshelter Collection was seriously flawed. As an example, one never knew who their editor was, and there was no logic behind the editing process. I knew of studio managers moonlighting as editors at Photoshelter becaue of the overload of submissions.
Fortunately I don’t have pending sales from DRR and I empathize will all who do.
“These are definitely not the good old days!”
I’m a victim of this process. All my photos was in this servers, and they shut down without previous notice. Do you know if there are a web where the victims can talk to make a global claim?
Thanks
Like Vincent, I am also a spokesperson (unpaid) for PhotoShelter. Grover and crew are stand-up guys.
I knew and trusted someone at DRR and set up an account earlier this year. Never got a chance to populate the site with images. Something felt amiss about how hard they pushed for new business.
The company that took over the servers, accounts, etc. is known for slashing to the core.
Inexcusable is the only word I can think of to describe their actions. Well, there are a few others, but I am not going to put them into a google searchable text box.
PhotoShelter are straight-up guys. They gave people a months notice when they decided to stop selling stock. They were fair about it and they did the right thing.
I don’t trust ANY website, and I don’t trust anyone.
Approximately 14 months ago I was trying to decide between Digital Railroad and Photoshelter. At the time, DR had my edge. But I still didn’t feel comfy pulling the trigger. So I did not select either.
Recently when I saw that Photoshelter abruptly exited their stock sales endeavor I thought that their future does not look bright.
But now that DR has completely imploded I’m beginning to wonder about the strength of the basic business model. (I suspect that the timing of DR’s collapse is not coincidentally concurrent with the collapse of the commercial credit markets.)
So at this point I think I’ll continue to stay on the sidelines from this whole “online archive” / independent stock sales market.
This is horrible. Simply outrageous. 24 hours to get hundreds or thousands of GB of data or a slammed server, over the internet?
WTF?
Good thing I’m still shooting Tri-X.
But I was going to start loading my scanned library on to a service such as DRR. Ouch.
Good to hear from everyone – glad to see the servers “may” be back online… Diablo does indeed mean “devil.”
I find the whole affair very unfair. I used DRR to run an independent archive. I am a long standing DRR user after I walked out of a major UK based agency and set up on my own. My company is going from strength to strength and when we signed up it was simply a hosting company which I feel people forget. Due to territory image rights control, I did not subscribe to market place and therefore have no personal thoughts for those who used it as an alternative to say Alamy.
We never received ANY notification, only heard rumours which I felt were orchestrated by other hosts wanting fresh business.
For a company whose main enterprise was hosting, I feel its totally unacceptable to simply say you have 24 hours and thats it. I have emailed and faxed DGM many times, pleading with them as a human to show compassion and understanding on how it will effect the employment of other people should all our images not be accessable. I was with DRR a few years ago when their back up to their back up went down. I was actually pleased it did as it gave me HUGE confidence in their system – one week later everything was restored as normal. Although I am in the process of writing our own independent online archive, DRR did what it said on the tin, and for an ever expanding agency, I found it to be more than suitable.
Of course I have back ups, however extra keywording, extra caption information added to enable clients and company staff to find images more easily may seem logistically easy to back up but in day to day business it did not always happen.
The most annoying thing now is a total lack of two way communication. I am willing to offer more payment to keep my images available for a few more weeks which only I have access to and are not available to clients signed up with the market place – the arm of the business I feel has caused the company to go under.
I also blame the company directors who selfishly walked away from the enterprise leaving over 60 agencies and over 1000 photographers with sleepless nights wondering if their work will be simply trashed. There has been no compassion, no understanding or thought of longstanding clients and importantly no pre-notification. The words horrible and phrases like leaving a bad taste in my mouth do not come anywhere near to summing up how angry and let down I feel.
Our agency can of course continue to operate but it so annoying.
I just wish I could have a 5 minute conversation with someone responsible or at least show human compassion and return my faxes and emails.
I certainly hope that the DIABLO MANAGEMENT GROUP are reading this and understand that they are dealing with media people who deal on day to day with newspapers and magazines across the globe.
Being as though DIABLO means THE DEVIL – I can see the headlines now as the DEVIL COMPANY show no compassion to photoagencies and photographers and delete their work giving them little time to retrieve images from servers. Its not like DRR was the Ford Motor Company and had a production line which has not stopped- DRR is simply a company storing information on servers that is the artistic work of photographers around the globe.
Im not threatening them, but will be emailing photo magazines, newspapers and financial writers in the US about the horrific and disgusting way I have personally been treated and like I said, pointing out DIABLO means devil and putting pressure on them to show them as not having any human nature, lacking compassion and a complete lack of respect to photographers art work.
Looks like they may be listening – see latest post… you have 38 more hours to pull your data off…
To be sure, this is a disgusting situation.
That said, I think you give way too much credit to Photoshelter. I’ve been to their conference/infomercials and wasn’t impressed. And let’s not forget, they, too, have stumbled recently. Given the realities of the economic mess we find ourselves in, what’s to prevent Photoshelter from failing? There are no guarantees. Entrusting your best work to a single online source is worse than depositing your money in a bank without FDIC.
38 more hours it’s time enought to obtain the images, because the server is busy!!!!!!!!!
I’m trying to do it and each 5 minutes the system shut down!!!!!
If i havent time enought to do it my best wishes to my lawyer!!!
They saw it coming I would say and did nothing. The owners and managers of the company should have done something earlier. Even if they did not know that a shut down was iminent they could have asked their customers to always have a backup of their files on another HD. There are large storage HD’s available now where you can store your images. I for one have one and store all my important files there having learned the hard way with computers failing the OS going bad etc. AOL is shutting down their picture site and personal webspaces now too. Never be foolish and trust some company with your stuff. Always have your own storage means. That way you will never be left out in the cold. Concerning the kaywording etc Adobe has lightroom 2.1 now and all the keywording an rating can be done in that software so one does not have to ever depend anymore on sites like this that may or may not stay around for the future. In these hard econimic times everyone needs to secure what they have so it is there when the econimy picks up again.
Joe Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
http://www.stockphototalk.com/phototalk/2008/01/charles-mauzy.html
Press Release from January 2008 about Mauzy CEO of DRR
Here’s maybe a dumb idea: If DRR’s servers are discrete (i.e., not cloud-based AMZN S3 stuff) why doesn’t PhotoShelter (or someone else) simply borrow (or buy) the drives and save the images of the people who do not have time to cram into the mass exodus via FTP?
Heaven forbid someone is actually out of touch on assignment somewhere.
Google, who has certainly moved, indexed, massaged and search more data than just about anyone else, is fond of saying, “there is no bandwidth as good as a plane full of hard drives.”
Physical transferal (or transferring the data to another set of drives onsite) could make this whole crisis go away, I would think.
-David Hobby
Allen Murabayashi Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
David: It’s a really complicated situation where lots of creditors are owed money, so simply removing the servers would involve paying lots of people. In that respect, it’s not a good business choice.
I’ve always been amazed that ANYONE (especially working professionals) would entrust the storage of their livelihood and life’s work to absolute strangers, for this very reason. With the bargain prices for hard drives these last few years, what ever could these many photographers have been thinking?!?
Canon makes an ok Video HD Cam for the “ProSumer”. Why in the world DON’T! they just make a HD Cam that shoots the image quality of the EOS 5D Mark II ????? of course at a price point of around $7 Grand… Ok, $9 Grand.
What in the world are they thinking???? i guess their not.
Thank God the NEW REDs are coming out 2009
D.
Relying on hard drives – even in RAID 5 or 6 – is stupid.
Relying on online backup sites is REALLY stupid.
The ONLY storage system that is worth anything is the combination of local RAID hard drives for immediate access; the daily backup of those drives onto enterprise-quality archival tape media such as LTO3; alternating those daily backups between two backup sets; and the storage of those tapes at an off-site storage facility such as a safety deposit box.
Long-term tape archives (i.e. those that you no longer keep on your local RAID drives) need to be duplicated and the two copies kept in separate locations.
The above system will cover all eventualities: drive failure, burglary, fire, earthquake… you name it. Anything else is courting disaster for a pro photographer.
An LTO3 drive costs all of about $1,000. 400GB tapes are about $100 a pop. Total cost for peace of mind? Less than a decent lens.
But, that’s incredible.
Its possible that someone buy the fantastic application of DRR? I think it’s the best one!!!
DMG have sent me this in relation to Digital Rail Road and have told me to circulate it
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To Digital Railroad Members and Customers;
Digital Railroad (DRR) has been attempting to keep its servers up and running for as long as possible. However, given DRR’s current cash position, it can no longer keep these servers operational. Therefore, as early as midnight EST, October 31, 2008, the DRR website will be closed and the images located on the DRR servers will be inaccessible. DRR apologizes for difficulties and inconvenience that this creates, however, without additional capital investment, DRR has no other recourse.
These images will be preserved on the existing hardware in anticipation that at a later date they can be retrieved by their owners.
Digital Railroad has received a letter of intent (LOI) to purchase the assets of DRR, specifically its hardware and application software used to store and retrieve images with the desire to continue providing services to DRR members and customers with as little disruption as possible. The Intellectual Property (IP) stored on these servers and owned by members would in any case be preserved. After the completion of an asset purchase agreement, the acquiring company will contact owners of the images to determine their disposition. The acquiring company will have no right to sell or distribute these images without the owner’s prior approval.
The company that has submitted the Letter of Intent is a twenty-year fixture in the industry with ongoing close relationships with the preeminent players in the worldwide information business. It owns a multi-agency digital media marketplace composing more than twenty-five million images, news stories, and video clips which it licenses to five thousand customers who purchase content on a daily basis for insertion into the world’s most prominent newspapers, magazines, web sites, and broadcast services.
Please check the Diablo Management website http://www.diablomanagement.com regularly for updates.
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Regards
Matthew Ashton
Props to the Photo Shelter guys. They are amazing, hardworking and smart guys and most importantly trust worthy and reliable. They are all part of the photo community and utilize the same workflows we all use. They know what they are doing and work hard on implementing and improving our lives as photographers…
I used to have a DDR account but last year something “told me”, that I shouldn’t trust this site so I didn’t renew my account even so they charged my credit card and I tried to contact them with more than 10 emails and they never respond to my emails, but fortunately my bank gave me back the money!!!!
Shame on them!!!!
Vincent I love your blog and work and you inspire me
Можно и подискутировать по этому поводу … 🙂
Замечательная статья, спасибо. Но я думаю, что надежда все-таки есть. 🙂