What camera did I use to make this still picture?
Go ahead and guess what camera was used to make this photograph in the comments above. It was made with a new camera that many photographers have not yet heard of… I suggest you click on the image above to see it at full resolution (and make sure you zoom in to 100%) Some of you will guess right away and already know about it… Others will be astonished when I reveal what camera shot this photograph. It’s a camera that has the potential to change things – radically. __________________________________________________________________________________________
ANSWER: This image is actually a FRAME GRAB. It was not shot with a STILL camera but with the RED EPIC M digital cinema camera at 96 frames per second. For the techies: The image was made with a Zeiss Compact Prime 25mm f 2.9 , natural light, at T 2.9 , 1/200th of a second at 800 ASA in RED’s RAW R3D format – a RAW format similar to a CR2 or NEF (for Canon and Nikon users respectively.)
The camera’s "cinema" resolution is 5K – more than five times the resolution of your HD Television (see chart below)… Other than a quick color correction – no enhancement whatsoever has been made to this image. Perhaps just as importantly : there were 95 other frames that were shot EACH SECOND that I rolled on the camera… 95 other shots to choose from… shot handheld on a moving subject – not posed.
So why the big deal some might ask? First – I’ve been shooting with still cameras for 21 years. Second – I shot with some of the very first digital still cameras in 1996 (granted there were some that came out before that – but the Canon D2000 the first digital camera that was assigned to me at The New York Times in 1999 was one of the first viable digital cameras in the market… shooting a whopping 2 megapixels at 3.5 frame per second.) I’ve seen and used a majority of the digital cameras over the past 13 years – from the D2000 all the way to Phase One backs and the Hasselblad H4D-40 and seen some of the very BEST sensors… and some of the very WORST!
I’ve also worked with Apple and Adobe on how to best decode raw images… With that said, what I can tell you is: when I first got my hands on the RED Epic camera and started to shoot footage (especially footage at higher frame rates with faster shutter speeds that lead to very sharp still images) my jaw dropped. The last time my jaw dropped like that – was when I first saw video footage coming out of the Canon 5D MKII when I shot "Reverie" almost 3 years ago. I and many others at that time had never expected to see 1080p footage coming out of a still camera… let alone footage that looked like what we were seeing! (Footage that just 3 years later pales in comparison to what comes out of the Epic today.) The footage that I am seeing coming out of RED’s Epic is some of the most impressive footage I have seen – both in terms of latitude and resolution.
So much so that I thought that a frame grab was the best way to attest to that fact – as no internet video streaming system available today can come close to doing justice to the 5K video footage produced by this camera. (Notice the dynamic range in the frame grab above – pay PARTICULAR attention to the reflection in the girl’s pupil that is in focus, of the window’s outline – and how the camera holds detail in the shadows within the dark areas of the eye socket – yet also retains the highlight detail of the light source.)
Some of you will ask: "Is this a GAME CHANGER?"
I’m going to stay away from that term. It’s been far too over used in the past few years anyway. I’m also going to stay away from making any claims or proclamations – but I will ask a few questions openly. What I CAN says is: this camera has made me think A LOT. And ask a lot of "big" questions… such as: "Does the challenge of capturing "THE DECISIVE MOMENT" still exist when you can capture a 14 megapixel image at 120 frames per second? " For someone who idolized Henri Cartier Bresson and worked on mastering the capture of that "decisive moment" for most of my career – it is not a question I ask lightly. "Are the days of the "still camera" numbered?"
Again – not a query I pose flippantly. But when my current instinct is to choose the Epic over my still digital camera when I see something beautiful (and having the choice of BOTH stills and video…) that’s an important statement for me to make publicly. " Will most people be pulling frame grabs from their video devices years from now and framing them? Will frames even exist let alone prints?" " Does it makes sense to send a sports photographer to shoot a sporting event with a still camera – when these new cameras can capture similar resolution images (to the 1D MKIV for example) TEN TIMES AS OFTEN PER SECOND? (Two important points to comfort sport photogs: First, while the Epic will soon have both "smart/electronic" Nikon and Canon mounts, AND will offer autofocus – I’d be surprised to see the AF perform as well as the high end Canon and Nikon cameras… and the 1D MKIV and Nikon D3 series still excel in high ASA performance compared to almost all cameras in any market – still or cinema today. I’m just asking the questions to stir the pot if you will…) I don’t have the answers to any of these questions of course – none of us do. BUT – I will say that these are legitimate questions to ponder out loud when you see new technology like this appear. Also, there is one question that I’m sure that many of you might want to ask me in particular: "Is the age of the HDSLR movement coming to an end?" My answer: Absolutely, positively, definitively NOT! The price point of the Canon Rebels, 7D, 5D MKII etc. are something that CANNOT be ignored. While the large sensors, form factor, and low light performance were huge factors in the success of the HDSLR platforms – perhaps as important if not most important – WAS (and is) THE PRICE. Until a tool becomes affordable to the masses – it cannot have the widespread effect/movement that the HDSLR "revolution" has had in democratizing filmmaking. I am not selling my Canon 5D MKIIs anytime soon and don’t expect most of you to either. We are seeing a lot of new cameras coming out that are trying to overtake the HDSLR market (Sony F3, AF100 etc) but the price of those systems is still too high for most. I do however think it’s always important to look at the cutting edge technology available today – to see what we might all have in our hands tomorrow. Right now the RED Epic is a $30,000+ camera that is far from accessible to most due to its price. ($58K with all of the accessories for the hand-machined "M" series – the factory made "X" series will be almost 1/3 cheaper.) But if there’s one thing we all know – PRICES FOR ALL TECHNOLOGIES GO DOWN with time and volume of units sold. The type of technology that is housed within this incredibly small cinema camera (just a bit larger than a Hasselblad H4D and heavier) is ahead of its time. In a few years – at the rate things are going – who can say we won’t be shooting 120 fps on our iPhone 8 at 4K? (A bit extreme sounding sure – but would you have expected to shoot the quantity and quality of still images you are now shooting on your iPhone 4 just 2 years ago? I would not have…) Keep in mind that most video cameras out there shoot a compressed format – this camera shoots individual frames with the fidelity you see in the above example in a RAW format with an incredible exposure latitude – a latitude that rivals what I’ve seen with many digital still cameras. What this camera will do for sure, is to put a fire under all still camera manufacturers to produce still cameras that do things we haven’t yet imagined… if the Epic can shoot HDRx live – still cameras need(ed) to do the same YESTERDAY. You should also naturally expect that ALL camera manufacturers are taking note of the Epic’s performance, resolution, and size … and doing their best to remain competitive. And I haven’t even begun to discuss the CINEMA functionality of this camera… I will be posting a camera test/video that I shot with the Epic shortly – as well as a series of behind the scenes videos that show most of the gear we used on this shoot (that includes HDSLRS too of course!) over the upcoming weeks on this blog – so check in regularly. We’ve shot a LOT of behind the scenes stuff for you. I’ve also started a new gear subsection on my blog for the Epic for those who might be interested. I look forward to sharing some more thoughts with you and to getting your feedback and thoughts on all of this.
Canon 5D MARK III 🙂
Richard Steffens Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
I’m really hoping you’re right!
Red Epic-M S35?
Epic!
Most of these kind of riddles end with “an iPhone 4”
But it’s way too good here. I’d go for Epic ?
Red Epic?
iPhone?
Canon EOS 5D Mark III
New Sony HX9?
RED!
X100? So trendy nowadays…
Definetely a RED then…
Red Epic-M S35 ?
X100
Red Epic M?
Fuji X-100
frame from RED
There’s a lot of buzz about the x100.
yeah… “potential to change things” == Red Epic
I’d say Fuji X-100. indeed very fashionable these days 🙂
Red Epic-M S35
Definitely not Lukas, since that wouldn’t surprise anyone.
Best guess-Fuji X-100 …You are going to let us know the answer!
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Yes – when I finish writing the blog post about it I will let you know of course!
GoPro HD?
Fuji people – look at aspect ratio and resolution. Has to be a RED S35.
It’s none of the above. If it were so easy that many would be gravitating towards a consensus of the Red or a Sony, we wouldn’t be being played. I have no idea, apparently, neither does any one else.
@Vincent Laforet, This begs the question, when will you finish the blog post?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Target: tomorrow morning – maybe tonight…
Linhof Master Technika with 210mm Scheinder Apo lens. Tri-x processed in Rodinal N+1and then color hand painted in. Camera handheld with available window light
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Nice one!
Definitely not an iphone, either the RED Scarlet or the 5D III
I think it is a small sensor camera (look at that color noise in the white of her eye) with some clever background blurring software. (Given that, any camera could do this). But I don’t know. Hopefully not a RED / 5DIII.
the size of that image is bigger than what the x100 shoots, so that rules that out (providing you aren’t pulling any fast ones on us)…
If you told the world that it was the 5dMK3 you would probably be de-commissioned by Canon… so I’m gonna go with the Epic… especially because you said that “many photographers haven’t heard of it”, and for photogs that aren’t paying attention to the motion world, they probably haven’t heard of it.
So yeah… EPIC!
Sony Alpha 77
I’m guessing the Sony HX9
Wii U!
It may be one of the new mirrorless cameras.
Easy, the GH2 😉
Is that a bank of LED panels reflected in her eye?
FYI, you’ve embedded a device-dependent hardware color profile in a device-independent image, which makes no sense, so your export presets probably got bumped along the way somewhere and could use some TLC.
Lovely shot, BTW.
Obviously a Ricoh GRIII 🙂
Considering my X100 doesn’t appear to have this level of apparent dynamic range out of the camera . . . . I’d say it’s a bit of new kit that drastically improves the ability of digital sensors to capture a more “human vision”-like level of dynamic range?
And since I’ve not heard much about any new RED cameras . . . I’d say it’s something REDish?
Then again maybe my X100 images don’t look like this because I’m not Vincent?
=0)
I have no idea…Lumix GF3?
just teasing…. I would guess a Canon 5D
Iphone 5
The new Laforet Designs Cine Webcam with a 1.3mm f/0.7 Zeiss lens – finally a serious webcam for real photographers who want shallow DOF. It’s the one everyone has been clamoring for out there!
iPhone 5
Fuji X100 or Sony SLT, I think those who might have the potential to change things!!
Sony NEX-FS100
Epic for sure. Can’t wait to read about it. I’ve been waiting for days.
iPhone
Panasonic LX3
I think it’s a video still, but I have no clue what camera. I like the color RED though. 😉
For the people guessing Fuji X100, you’re dreaming. There’s no way the Fuji could take such an image. Go read the recent review on dpreview.com — the Fuji isn’t what it’s cracked up to be.
Given the resolution and aspect ratio, it’s definitely a frame grab from the Red Epic (and a beautiful thing it is) running at nearly 120 frames/second. Could the future actually be here? 18 stops of dynamic range, baby! Insane!
Epic. According to Red, the Epic-X S35, Epic-S S35, Epic S35, and Epic-M S35 all have exactly this same resolution.
http://www.red.com/products/epic
Given Vincent’s video & still work, I’d be betting on this. (that said, no specs are available for the Scarlet, so it could be this)
Red Epic right?
5120×2700 Pixel = 5K
I’m surprised that no one has guessed the SD1 yet…
The camera you had with you!
Come on, what have we learned people?
Same pixel count and nice milky quality as RED Epic.
PD150?! … haha …kidding…well… EPIC is well know now for haveing the potential to change things (radically)…so that is kinda not new though (in a way ;)… 5D mk3 …well i guess not that BIG of an update … if it comes… so actually i have no idea. (F3 with s-log? …???
You did list the post under Gadgets which makes it even harder to guess. I don’t think it’s an iPhone 4 (I didn’t see it blur the background like that) but it could be another phone/tablet. Too many choices. I’ll go with a GoPro camera.
Canon for sure….i think (-;
Brownie with a roll of 220 Velvia. 😛
Haha, no… given that Vincent would get waterboarded by Canon for saying anything about a 5D III, 1Ds IV, etc., I’m sure its not a Canon camera (also, for the same reason, clearly its not a Nikon).
I would love it to be a GoPro, iPhone, etc, but I really doubt it.
The many guesses about an Epic certainly could be right…
Hahahaha, the SD1… a $9,000 15MP camera from a company infamous for awful quality control. Oy.
ipad 2
Me thinks RED EPIC.
Sigma SD1
Scarlet
Red Scarlett?
Scarlet S35. the dimensions fit (5120 × 2700).
Polaroid SX-70?
I like the idea of the SuperHD GoPro, that would be “radical” change. Come on guys, the Red Epic without lens lists for $58,000 – how radical can change be when the price of entry approaches $100k?
I am enjoying the tension but feel trapped that I’m updating Vincent’s page looking for what the big surprise will be.
How about a clue Mr. Laforet? Is the camera manufactured in America or Asia?
RED EPIC for sure. It still however looks overly noisy to be able to compete with Canon or Nikon for Stills.
However at 60 or 120fps you could always get an incredible shot from the footage instead of shooting and praying that you got the shot on stills.
PMWF3L
13.8 Megapixel
5120 x 2700 resolution.
What do I win? 🙂
Nikon D3X
@Dennis Hemstedt, You are 100% right. Article from April 26 talks about James Cameron buying 50 Epic’s with a 5k resolution of 5120×2700 pixels. Bummer, now if this were a $500 GoPro, that would be radical, James Cameron forking over $2.9 million for cameras is not going to be radical in my HDSLR-Magic Lantern-Premiere Pro-Twixtoring world.
Sony FS-100
Red EPIC-M forsure. it’s a 14mp 5120×2700 image, same as the epic sensor.
Just to be different, I will say Fuji X200, yes X200.
x100?
I just hope it’s affordable for us.
I’ll guess a new Canon SLR-sized mirror less camera.
Most likely the Red EPIC, but I’m *really* hoping it’s the 5Dmk3!!
Holga Epic 3000LX
Holga? With some kind of digital back?
Canon 7d
1.8 .. 50mm
x100 or ipad 2
too much noise and only 14 mp, can not be the 5Dmkiii.
If it is the Epic, hopefully Red will get their act together to get it out and soon without another freakin delay! So sick of Red delaying and beta-testing their crap in the field for the past 4 or so years.
Release the damn thing already and get it out to the people who are interested……..
Nice image though!
Affordable? What are you nuts? We’re talking about Vincent Laforet here. He’s the biggest gadget geek blogger I know of in the camera world. He’s even more of a gadget geek than me, and that’s saying a hella lot.
Red Scarlet is my guess…..
@Greg, “Holga Epic 3000LX” hahaha good one 🙂
According to the ratio of the photo, it’s same as the RED EPIC-M!
I hope is the Red Scarlet, but I think it is a SONY!
PS Cam X35
iphone
just joking a Canon 5d mk3
My money is on EPIC 🙂
Ikonoskop
.R3D from a RED Epic-M
I may be reading into this too much, but he does say clearly in the post that many photographers have yet to hear about the camera… to me this means it cannot be the RED EPIC, or even the iPhone… *shrugs*
EditorLiam Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
yep… I read into it too much 🙂
Sure, a KODAK BROWNIE Fiesta
it almost has to be very cheap to change things radically.
I think i want one.
You blog is out of control!
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
You are partly to blame hippie! 😉
EPIC
RED EPIC w/adapted Canon 85mm 1.2L II
(jealous)
Red Epic-M 5K (5120 X 2700) + Canon Mount
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Almost! OK – I’m answering…..
Canon Rebel??? C’mon, he is Vincent Laforet, he could make good pictures even with disposables! 🙂
Your May 28th Tweet:
How many of you guys/gals would be interested in a post @ my first two weeks w the Red Epic? Turn on or turn off for HDDSLR shooters?
28 May via Twitter for iPhone
AND…two days later
A little Photoshop Phorensics:
This image was:
Originally shot on May 30th 19:42:14-07:00
Image converted in Adobe Photoshop CS5.1 on a Mac from a TIF to a JPG. xmp.iid:1A6FCDE60920681192B0B35619B53695
Your May 28th Tweet:
How many of you guys/gals would be interested in a post @ my first two weeks w the Red Epic? Turn on or turn off for HDDSLR shooters?
28 May via Twitter for iPhone
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Nice job detective 😉 I expected most people to know the answer to be honest… I just don’t expect people to “expect” this kind of image quality from a video/cinema camera…
iphone 4!
I want to RED Epic, but the price makes it feel like not something that changes everything. So my vote goes to a prototype Scarlet.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
It may not change everything NOW – and the price is too high for most NOW. But it begs the question of where everything is headed – and how things will change in the coming years…
The tension is killing me…
Vincent, my best guess is you are using a new Canon and judging by your hint to reveal more tonight or tomorrow, perhaps you expect Canon to make an announcement tomorrow or tonight.
I say this because it’s a no brainer that you are a beta tester for Canon’s new cameras and you can’t wait to tell everyone about the gear but are bound by agreements etc.
I truly hope I’m right and Canon are making an announcement this soon.
It looks like you have removed metadata from the image, I’m hoping it’s a still lifted from video on a new video enabled DSLR, or full size CMOS sensor video camera that takes stills and accepts EOS lenses, PL and others.
I know the RED Epic yields 14 megapixel stills off video and it’s an awesome camera, but I sure hope it’s a Canon.
Here’s hoping.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Well – it was an Epic after all…
X100
@Vincent Laforet,
No no no no, let it be a news Canon . . . please.
Digital output of the worlds first bionic eye?
Sigma SD1 is my guess but since it is not a movie machine and that seems to be your interest I give up.
All I know is that it looks fantastic on my 30″ Cinema Display.
RED Epic M S-35
5d Mark II
Scarlet!!!!!!!
Me wants one bad!!!!! ; )~
Oh Vincent why did you remove my reply?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Which one?
Whoah! Nice pot-stirring.
I suppose the answer to most of our questions involving tech, is time + patience. Not so long ago I can remember shooting video with a Casio 3.5 megapixel camera while skateboarding in Venice and people being astounded by the video … but it really was just good light and composition! What was the shot of you and the Epic done with? … now that’s epic, pardon the pun! *J-Dog
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Thanks J-Dog! But we can also all remember a time or two when we did make an epic image – with a horrid camera, lens, or sensor – that was unusable. So point very well taken – but qualified.
@Vincent Laforet – Well put. In that case I’ll switch my vote back to an EPIC S35. 🙂
Vincent,
I wholeheartedly agree with you that the Epic could as much of a game-changer to sports-photographers looking to capture that decisive moment in time as the Canon 5d II was to filmmakers.
However setting up for either stills or film still remains a deliberate choice. Shooting at higher shutter speeds will make the motion less fluid and thus less pleasing to the eye at 24 or 25 fps.
Often, my clients ask me if I can pull off some stills from footage I’ve shot with the DSLRs (it’s a stills camera, right?). I always tell them that my job is to shoot film for them and that they may get lucky in getting a usable pulldown frame from the footage. No promises, however and I don’t claim to take adequate pictures.
So, while convergence is happening for sure, the tools are still made for specific purposes. Horses for courses…
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Ah! There is some pretty cool software for that actually…stay tunned… in a few weeks I’ll write about it… impossible to make 24 fps look sharp (as if it were shot at 1/500th of a second) but definitely possible to do the reverse…
“The camera’s “cinema” resolution is 5K – more than twice the resolution of your HD Television (see chart below)…”
I think you need to check your maths on that – 1080p (1920×1080) = 2.074 mega pixels, 5K (5120×2700) = 13.824 MP. Therefore the difference in resolution is 6.6 times.
It’s about 2.6 times as wide as HD and bout two and a half times as tall, but you need to multiply that difference to get the difference in resolution (2.667*2.5 = ~6.6).
Amazing photo by the way!
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 7th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
I agree – and have had that argument w/ people til I’m blue in the face… is 4K twice the resolution or 4 times? more than twice is easier to say at this point – easier than to argue with people who say it’s not “really” 6.6. times the rez… and then start saying is it “true” 5K or 4.5K or etc etc etc.. .point is: resolution and image are stunning! Agree?
@Vincent Laforet, I changed it to 5 times which is what RED states…
“who can say we won’t be shooting 120 fps on our iPhone 8 at 4K?”
its not unrealistic at all… Sony and OmniVision achieved 1080p60 one or two years ago. the question is consumers really need 4k while detail difference between 1080 and 720 is near unrecognizable at 5ft distance?
5k despite being 6.5 times larger than FullHD is still 14 mega pixels.. next year high end still cameras will capture moments at 28 to 32 mega pixels. speed is just one of the factors… the main one is the Purpose. the purpose of using D3x is giving you a large Print.. RED is made for Motion. if technology advances one, it advances another one too.
@Vincent Laforet, lol … and those are the times when we want to just chuck our camera off a bridge. I absolutely enjoy tech as much as the next guy, so it’s incredible to watch as we keep making these advances … dig it! What is your biggest challenge working with RED vs. other systems? (i.e. Canon’s, Phantom, Sony, etc)
Thanks for sharing, look forward to the hi-res film.
Peace, *J-Dog
Great resolution and latitude indeed!
One question that comes to mind is that of file sizes. Just how big will these RAW files be for, say 60 seconds of footage? I’m guessing you’d need a tripped out Mac Pro to handle these huge files, right?
eggshell pinhole camera with HDMI output
“Will most people be pulling frame grabs from their video devices years from now and framing them?”
Yes Vincent, you bet. This latitude is so impressive that the picture of the little girl seems to be about to jump off screen.
Anyway, wise words…The term “Game changer” has been used too much. Thanks for your insights: I believe a website like yours is the real game changer, because the quality of information you give me is priceless…When I saw Nocturne, I immediately understood that I had to buy the 1D mark IV…I got it and I have been shooting music videos with it for more than a year…
Nevertheless this picture I’m seeing now is something new, I believe you gave me another benchmark to consider…
Well, have a great day.
Take care,
Manuel
In reality a lot of cameras could have made these images. The camera business is in the end game for image quality and resolution. Manufacturers need to compete on reliability, ergonomics, faster processing and optics.
The human eye is the limit and we are, for all intents and purposes, there when it comes to images for entertainment.
Canon showed this technology 6-8 months ago for their “future” products. A little white shelled video camera that while shooting video with some crazy zoom lens was able to photograph a bird flying in the sky and had enough resolution to print a wonderful enlarged image. I think anyone who has been in the business for a wile working with digital imaging, understands is gonna happen soon. Janard’s Epic is that camera and the rest of us mere mortals will just have to wait awhile for it to be affordable. After we get it for a grand or two, it will then be on our phone or watch in a few more years for a few hundred. At that point, everyone will be able to capture moments that would have been missed if they are willing to review the hours of footage that will be taken. What we need now is software like Picasa with facial and scene recognition to database our footage to find the stuff when we need it. By the way, the shot is lovely. Every parent should be enabled to get some similar footage of their kids.
Awesome Post! Thanks for that. If this is the future for digital film, then the display market has some catch up to do. In fact the whole ecosystem, from bandwidth to playback has some work to do.
@Vincent That sounds interesting. Keep me posted.
Thanks for this really interesting article and it is also nice to read for someone who is still happy with his good old 30D. But nevertheless I would love to have the same quality, I don’t want to carry such an expensive tool :-).
Kind regards, Sebastian
It will be interesting to see the direction of blogs like this. There exists a lot of interest for the DSLR market but probably not so much for a camera that very few can afford. When shooters write about 58k cameras I imagine they will lose considerable traffic because it was always about ‘he’s using a camera that I have’.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 8th, 2011 at 11:37 am
The Epic is but one tool in my toolbox! I will and am continuing to work w/ the HDDSLRs and future products – I am well aware that the Epic is still a niche market. That being said it’s something that should be discussed openly. If you follow me on twitter you’ll see I asked people a few weeks ago (HDDSLR users) if they’d be interested in the Epic – and I got an overwhelming YES
@Richard Steffens, let’s make it happen!
http://www.jdfnet.com/2011/04/22/how-you-can-change-the-canon-5d-mark-iii-right-now/
The problem with this new paradigm might overload. If 96fps ensures you capture the elusive decisive moment then within a single second you have 95 images that aren’t that moment. Pixel count is rising such that you have huge compositional range in post. Technologies like HDRx will allow you to retrospectively dial in exposure. Adobe and Canon have prototype technologies to let you dial in focus retrospectively too.
By the Canon 5D Mk5 will we just point the glass bit in the general direction of the action then spend 3 days in post deciding what the picture is? Can’t see that appealing to Henri Cartier-Bresson somehow.
Don’t get me wrong, I love camera tech as much as the next man (quite a bit more if I am honest) but I wonder where it’s all leading.
Just like Flipography!
http://Flipography.com
Oh dear god, it’s beautiful.
It doesn’t look like a still camera, but digital doesn’t look like film either and that didn’t seem to matter. Rolling with it.
Interesting that you mention Cartier-Bresson….
“Photography has not changed since its origin except in its technical aspects, which for me are not important.” – Henri Cartier-Bresson
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 8th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Bresson also said photography was not an art…. Bresson always spoke in broad strokescand lived in a very differentbtime where the internetvdid not yet exist… Just sayin’
Don’t think I can shoot the Red as fast as my Canon 🙂 And I don’t think I can sling 3 Reds across my body and shoot a gig (like I do with my Canons). And while some are rolling to get the moment…. I nail it in one frame. The old fashioned way. Still works for me :))
Love it though!! (the advances being made).
for all of the guessing about the gear and the specs the questions you contemplate are the real crux of this article. I think that “moment” with a tool like the epic will be forever stretched from a 1/500th of a second to slices of 10 to 30 seconds. When you consider an entire football game is only 20-30 minutes of “actual action” you can capture all stills and motion from a physical location. Interesting… very…
The old choices of DOF and shutter will be augmented to include fps and how best to capture for motion and stills at the same time.
Also the RED should be able to use Canon, Nikon, and PL glass with a change of the mount.
A very brave new world indeed!
Man,
I was already jazzed about the possibilities.
Now I am freakin’ stoked!
I can’t wait for video at that resolution and speed to become available to my wallet!
Good stuff as always Master Picture Maker.
PS• Hire me!
Beautiful image, impressive technology, but I have to agree with a previous poster that particular tools for the particular jobs. While the resolution for the Epic is incredible (makes me jealous for sure), it’s still a long ways off from being a printable resolution when outputting high-quality large fine prints. You could pull maybe a usable 16×20 print from the Red, but I would argue that you’re maxing out at that, unless you’re going for a really grainy print look. Yes you could play with up-scaling etc, but printing is why you need the megapixels. But, nowadays with everyone seeming to have a screen in their pocket, how much longer will printing be relevant?
I think I’ll wait for the next model from Red, since I heard it’s going to be 50k and include a built-in Pocket-Wizard for strobes.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 8th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Christopher – agree. I think you can make an 11X14 comfortably and perhaps a 16X20 (depends on how discerning you are …) But how many people in the world truly make larger than 11X14 prints on a regular basis? It’s pretty rare… point is: all of this tech is ever changing and the pixels are getting more plentiful…
@Vincent Laforet,
It does make you wonder what he might have done with a camera like this…
Can you see a street photographer lugging something around like to to grab that “decisive moment”? That is the thing about digital vs analog. Once you invested in your Leica M3 and some good glass for it, you didn’t really need to upgrade again. Ever. Change film and shoot. Slip the camera under your jacket and hit the streets. Digital is the greatest boon to camera companies. Now things are just starting to match the qualities of film but you still have to replace your equipment every 2-3 years. Thats why I shoot with a Holga.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 8th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
I shoot w/ my Leica M9 and my father’s 35mm f2 and LOVE it. If I need to go bigger than that… then perhaps I’ll go w/ the Epic… we’ll see…
“Are the days of the “still camera” numbered?”
You are being flippant.
If you want to shoot at low ASA, non-paper-thin DOF, AND shoot motion, you best bring a lot of light with you and a crew to match. That’s a massive impact on production size, cost, and feasibility. Aside from the very top-tier publications, editorial art budgets just wouldn’t allow it, and it wouldn’t fit a lot of assignments anyway.
It’s equivalent to asking, “with the invention of the backhoe, are the spade’s days numbered?”.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 8th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
What editorial budgets? Sorry – couldn’t resist that one. They just haven’t been what they used to be a few years ago…. With the Epic you can do handheld w/ one user if you have the skills… the light is a fair issue if you are going indoors and want to shoot at f5.6 or greater… but studio shooting is just one of the many disciplines within photography.
The Epic is amazing, and if it were not for price ($68K body only) and availability (the waiting list is long) I would love to try to adapt one for ENG work.
The ability to capture 14 megapixel stills at the level on this blog is brilliant for sure, I could really use that in my work, because at a news scene you wouldn’t have to stop shooting vision and think stills, re setting the camera etc as you do if using a video enabled DSLR. So your mind is more concentrated on shooting the pack you’re working on, to know you have great vision and excellent stills in one hit would have to be a gift.
However Vincent as you said a bit earlier, “The Epic is but one tool in my toolbox! I will and am continuing to work w/ the HDDSLRs and future products”
So I, and I’m sure a myriad of others would like to know, but don’t burn yourself saying anything . . . “where are the NEW Canons?”
It’s fair to say the 5DII is three years old, which sadly is looking old, with it’s line skipping, lack of 1080 50/60p, massive compression, horrible codec etc.
The Panasonic GH2, Sony FS100 and even a Sony compact are shooting 1080 50/60p and look much sharper.
After all, wasn’t video capture on the 5DII originally an after thought? I would love to know how the NEW EOS’s compare to these new cameras, even the mighty RED Epic, Arri Alexia and others.
So as nice as the Epic may be, yeah I will continue to hold my breath for the Canon EOS updates, sheepishly follow Canon Rumours and other blogs because surely the next generation of Canons, with a new full frame sensor, better codec, Digic V with new processing will surely be worth the wait.
Is there anything you can drip feed us, any hits at all?
Frank
Rob Reply:
June 9th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
It’s amazing some of the things people say with absolute certainty. The current Epic-M is a special machined body and is only 58k. It also comes with an assortment of accessories of hefty value. (4x 128 gig SSD cards at 1800$ each).
Once the Epic-X comes out, it will be 28k body only. A far cry from 68k.
Say what you will about the technology, or the delays, but it just bugs me when people throw out FUD when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
Where did you even get 68k body only for the epic anyway?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 9th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Rob – not sure who you’re talking to. Did someone say it was $68K body only? The blog post is pretty clear that it’s $58K for machined body + accessories.
Red should be looking to the guys at Soviet Montage for good HDR footage. It going to be some time yet before a workable system for producing HDR in video appears though.
the new tech in the camera will change our industry completely, in time as much as the transition from film to digital. “THE DECISIVE MOMENT” is now somewhere within that 10sec you just shot.
I can just see setting up a shot, capturing a few seconds and then sitting around waiting for the next hour while an art directer looks through a couple of hundred frames only to decide that the “THE DECISIVE MOMENT” is not there and can I shot another couple of seconds.
That said, I can not wait to get my hands on it.
@Vincent Laforet, @Christopher
Vincent I’m sure you are aware of this but perhaps Christopher isn’t. RED has been used to take a professional photo or two. I think we are very early into scratching the surface as to how something like this could be applied.
http://www.red.com/experience/photography
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 8th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Yes – thanks for linking!
@Frank Redward, “The Epic is amazing, and if it were not for price ($68K body only) and availability (the waiting list is long) I would love to try to adapt one for ENG work. ”
Just for the record, The Epic-M is $58K for the body, toucch-screen monitor, evf viewfinder, remote control, side handle (another way to control–btw, that’s 3 ways to control: touch screen, remote, side handle) batteries, and charger in a Pelican case.
it’s still a lot of money, but not quite what you indicated.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 8th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
True – but you can only buy the package at this time. You cannot break up the package now as these are still hand machined cameras – they are going to be producing assembly line machines that will be cheaper called the Epic “X” – the Epic “M”
@Frank Redward, I’m sure your projects can’t wait but before the year is out RED “should” have a model that is essentially the same except priced in the $13k-$14kish range. That’s still likely several times the price of the new Canon EOS models, and you wont get over 60fps, but it will still have HDRx, and you’ll be able to use your electronic Canon lenses with it, which I think is still pretty amazing. I am anxious to see the new Canon EOS cameras and looking to see how this next year plays out. But it seems clear that things that it is a new world.
Great write up Vince, glad to see you pulled the trigger =)
My apologies for getting the pricing wrong.
Hell yeah if an Epic with HDRx becomes available at $13K-$14K, it becomes a viable option. Particularly with electronic linking for EF and Nikon lenses.
Of course cinema work seems to be the focus for the Epic, but again, it’s still capabilities for sports and ENG are enticing, after all we put up with the shortcomings of DSLR’s because of the quality of the vision, so surely working around a cut down Epic kit for ENG should be possible.
But the question still remains, What does Canon have up it’s sleeves?
There are rumours of a full frame “video camera” made by Canon that has been in beta testing since late last year. How cool would that be if it shot raw video off the sensor.
It’s getting very exciting, but having said all that, it’s what’s in front of the lens that makes the difference and how the story is told that matters.
Hi Vincent,
From a philosophical point of view, I find your ideas interesting and definitely agree that the technology is beginning to make these questions relevant. However, from a practical standpoint, I don’t think that we will ever really be able to get both from one. I say this because the idea of “I got it!” while the same words mean very different things from a still perspective than they do from a motion perspective.
Just think of the math involved. At 100 FPS, 5 minutes of footage will yield 30,000 individual frames. A football game would yield 360,000 discreet frames, and that would be from just one vantage point. Imagine as a still photographer or photo-editor having to sit down to do an edit from a shoot that contains that many images, often trying to decide which is the best capture between 10 nearly identical still frames (just generalizing that for many subjects, they will stay pretty static for a tenth of a second) and you start to see the monumental task it is to pick your hero shots.
When you are shooting stills, you kind of have a sense in your mind, even if you have been shooting for hours or days what your hero shots were even before you sit down to edit and can quickly identify them. There is something that as photographers is burned into our mind when we press the shutter button that is missing when you press record on a movie camera. You may have an idea that there is something that might make a good still but you won’t be able to pinpoint it and that is because you are inherently looking for two different things; interesting movement versus exact moment and gesture frozen it time.
All that being said, I definitely agree that there will be places where this will be incredibly relevant. Movie Still photographers may want to find a new gig and instant replay in sports will reach a level of accuracy that might make even the hardest fans have to agree with the refs are just a few examples, but for the most part most photographers without fulltime staffs of dedicated editors will be able to leverage this without being buried under a mountain of data.
Can you please post the photo in a less lossy format than JPG (PNG, TIF, etc?) I see compression artifacting and would like to know where it came from (camera, post workflow, jpg compression, etc.)
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 8th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
The JPEG is pretty accurate – we got 18,000 hits today and the server simply couldn’t handle TIFFs unfortunately. I did pay close attention to the JPEG compression and keep in mind that there is noise cancellation software for video that can make these images much cleaner. These images are untouched.
@Gavin Boyd, Hey Gavin people (my guess is Mr. Laforet will blog about it at some point) are shooting HDR now with the RED camera. The company has committed to having it in all of their camera bodies moving forward. If you’d like a brief explanation of how it works and some footage check out the links below
http://prolost.com/blog/2011/3/17/red-epic-hdrx-in-action.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xef_bWp9Ydw&hd=1
Very exciting times in this crossover of high-resolution Stills/Motion cameras…. But I get the impression that perhaps Speedlites are being overlooked in their fantastic ability to light a still image with a mere handful of AA batteries in a somewhat inconspicuous way that would be impossible with continuous artificial or natural light sources alone.
Very Impressive!
Not sure I see why so many people are obsessed over the image. I have to be missing something- Yes the focus and density is nice at full size but… ?
Wow, really great shot from a really great camera. Of course, your subject, namely that beautiful baby girl,is so adorable that regardless of what camera you used, it still would be a great shot!
simply amazing shot. can’t wait until this type of quality roles down to the pro-sumer level.
Simply amazing 🙂 I wonder how much space (disk space) does this camera use, must be massive with 120fps at such high resolution and on top in the RAW format 🙂
stunning.
So! How do I get one for Christmas?????
What kind of top mount support are you using on your EPIC to hang off a Anton Bauer battery?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 9th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Element Technica top plate – should be on their site shortly… you can call them if you’re in a rush…
A contact lense based camera?
Hey Vince. I like to read the reduser posts but am particularly interested in what you have to say about this camera because your a huge influence for the equip I’ve been using/trying to use for the past few years. Love your work. Are there any particular projects/tests you’re excited to approach with the Epic? Also, are there past shoots you believe having the Epic would’ve been beneficial?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 9th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Thank you! I’m going to approach all of my projects w/ the Epic short term. I have 3 years of experience with all of the Canon HDSLRs and want to become as much of an expert with the Epic as well. The only thing I wouldn’t tackle w/ the Epic is “Nocturne.” The 1D MKIV is a special camera in low light out there…
Can you explain to me please where the 5K measurement comes from.IE according to what tests.
Thanks…..
What Luts were used for the conversion.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Are you being cheeky or serious? tought to tell when you ask about LUTs… no LUTs were used – just simple color correction in Cololorista II in AE.
@Vincent Laforet, Hi Vincent~The Epic lives up to it’s name but, truly, if we’re emphasizing the capture aspect of this camera, to what use will the quality ever be visually justified except on the screen; the print world doesn’t presently have the output to match such resolution; this will undoubtedly, however, look stunning on screen. Many people do make prints larger than 11×14 on a regular basis. The art world’s fine art photographers do so, all over the world. Point is, is that this tool will be specific to a particular need. When at some point printers match the resolution of this capture, that will be a day of great interest for me, indeed.
Paul Clements Reply:
June 9th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Hi Charlie,
For a very long time the print industry has used 300 dpi + images in books etc. If I was taking family snaps I’d still want my images to have as much details as possible before being printed. 5K is 5120 horizontal pixels by 2700 vertical pixels. This equates to 13824000 total pixels or 14MP. Many of Canon’s DSLR’s shoot at a higher resolution than this. Furthermore the majority of footage filmed with this camera will be shown at 1080p which is equivalent to 2MP. The best available home monitors at present only have resolution enough to display 2500×1600. Naturally Epic footage will look best up on a 4K cinema screen but at the end of the day print is probably and somewhat ironically the best means of seeing a still at full 5K without having to scroll around a page to view all parts of it.
Cheers
Paul
Vincent, on your latest post on the Red camera, your still image’s copyright foliage has typos on them. (vicent…)
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 12:42 am
Yea – I was too tired to fix it… still am
Have you tried ARRI ALEXA?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 10th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
It’s an amazing camera – absolutely. But only 2K and I can’t manage it solo… I wanted a camera I could have w/ me at all times – and the Epic fits the bill!
Minolta SRT 101 😉
Can you explain the import of words in italics, words in capital letters, underlined words, words in different colours, words followed by exclamation points, and words set in bold? Or are you Italian, and struggling to cope without hand gestures?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 12th, 2011 at 4:47 am
The words with pretty colors are called hyperlinks – and I’m French not Italian – although I’d be proud to be Italian!
Hi Vincent,
i would like to develop a prototype of a 5k software decoder. Iam working as a codec engineer for the german video company and would like to start this as a hobby project.
We dont have access to 5k content. Can you maybe help us with one minute (or more if its possible) of demo content?
I will share on the other side the results, demos and credits of course!!!
thanks and have a nice weekend.
gary
I thought it looked a lot like a Diana with my sharpen action. I guess not.
It begs the question…. What is around the corner equipment wise, and what will that equipment mean to the profession?
18,000 hits ! Oh my god.
The only answer is the same answer as 30 years ago…the RIGHT tool for the RIGHT job. You don’t need a sledgehammer to drive in a thumbtack…
I’m getting my EPIC in December. I already can’t sleep!
Event photographers rely on flash photography so unless the lighting is abundant, they don’t have to worry about Epic operators taking their clients.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Pretty general statement and not always true. At 250th of a second 800 ASA at f 2.8 you can shoot most events today as they are lit for TV. And you can go to 1/500th at 1600AS and 1/640th at 2000ASA – something I did for years as a news photog.
super awesome tech, but how will this handle quickly moving subjects? with a still camera you have access to super duper high shutter speeds and or using strobes to freeze action and get everything extra sharp looking, even at the very impressive frame rate you are a long way from that. Not that I don’t want one now.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Trying to talk about what the future will bring (2-3 years…) not necessarily just TODAY.
The days of the still camera are certainly not numbered….especially when you consider the extreme level of compression found throughout the image.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 14th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Extreme level of compression… not there. Noise sure. Compression – sorry – no.
what goes around comes around…..canon shaked the motion world … now the epic has done same to the stills ,well not exactly but still…and also hoping there is no rolling shutter and moire on epic … or some other pain in..a** artifact….. thanks vince for all of what you have given…
Vincent, to get a decent still for most situations you need be shooting at 1/125 or faster. Especially when people are moving or talking or laughing, etc. So that probably works out great when shooting 96 frames per second because your shutter is probably around 1/192 or whatever the Red will do. So, if you do not plan on using the motion footage for slow-mo, doesn’t it look like “video” because of the high frame rate where you probably have lost that great filmic look that 1/48 gives you? And conversely if you shoot at 1/48 for the film look the above situations will yield soft stills. I’m just trying to figure out where all this would be beneficial in a shooting situation. Trust me, I truly appreciate the technological advances. But for this situation to really work it seems you would need a chip that can capture two different frame rates simultaneously which would also mean either the iso or lens iris would have to be at two different settings also.
Considering the size and expense, the still looks rather disappointing to me.
I will stick with my film rangefinder, and ignore all the hype.
This is an interesting post. As usual, Vince.
It has been my humble belief that anybody who thinks that the still image will not be replaced by a combination of video and frame grabs in the future is not really understanding the full power of this kind of technology. As you mentioned in your interview at A Photo Editor, creatives have input but rarely make major decisions on where technology is steered. If that 5000p grab (straight out of the camera!) doesn’t convince people, future cameras surely will. I enjoyed reading your post and this discussion.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 20th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Appreciated!!!!
Great shot… we could use a camera giveaway 🙂
The Red Epic costs $50,000 to shoot video and stills together, and here is a way to do it for under $5,000, by attaching a DSLR and a video camera with a simple “9shooter” bracket: 9shooter.com
A simple mechanical solution to a high-tech problem!
And too, while weighing it at 1/10 the cost, it’s also smaller and lighter.
How much does the $50,000 RED EPIC fully equipped weigh?
🙂
Hi Vincent,
I have been following this group for sometimes trying to figure out things by myself but I wanted to ask you a question now, I hope you can answer me, I checked your contact page and i figure it out that this would be the best place to write to you without bothering you too much.
First of all I will intruduce my self, my name is Orash and I have been a visual fx artist for the last 10 years, I am manly specialized in lighting, I have always been in love with the language of light and infact, parallel to my main job, I have always done heaps of photography, learing how to light both with artificial and natural light.
I am now seriosly thinking of taking a big break from the vfx industry and try to make my move into the “real” world as my final goal is to become a dop/cinematographer or actually even better to become an hibrid between the dop and the photographer (and the vfx artist) using all the skills that i have been learning all my life.
I have started to think of this possibility when the 5d mark2 came out but since the advent of the new media device like the ipad for the first time i thought it was really possible to create crossover contents or at least, there was a market for it.
In order to do that I was thinking to become a gaffer as a first step, I thought that because taking for “granted” that the light phisics won’t change between stills and motion the way to light things and the tools does change, so i thought that being a gaffer could can really teach me how to light for motion picture and parallel i could keep working on my stills and personal project.
Is this something you would suggest as a path?
I am currently living and working in London, but i could be anywhere that is not important, still if you were in my position and wanted to do what i had in mind, how would you make your move to become a gaffer or at least to put a foot into a filmset world, who would you contact or talk with?
Thank you a lot for your time, I really appreciate!
Orash
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 22nd, 2011 at 5:09 pm
You should see if you can find some work in the electric/grip department and work your way up to being a gaffer. Paramount just opened several new stages in London and it’s one of the best places to be in the world in terms of motion pictures today! Good luck! I suggest you reach out to your local union / group to find out about how to get the experience to eventually work on a motion picture crew. Every one has to start somewhere and you would not have to be the first! Good luck and have fun learning a wonderful craft!
lol…are people actually leaving comments guessing what camera was used to make the still? hilarious.
really in the end, i don’t see the majority of photographers taking this route in capturing images, unless they’re in an extremely controlled commercial environment. I guess we’ll see though 🙂
Epic looks nice and all…but not nice enough to make me jump from our 5D2’s and 1D4’s. 95% of our business is online marketing videos….which means, our clients aren’t necessarily seeing any difference between our DSLRs and the EPIC footage out there.
Has anyone mentioned Greg Williams? I think he was the first to take a still from the RED for a print magazine cover – Megan Fox for Esquire. He’s also done at least one lovely short on the EPIC. His work’s ace too. http://www.gregfoto.com/ and http://www.gandbandco.com/
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 11:00 am
He’s great – at this point it feels like ancient (but still worthy!) news
@Vincent Laforet,
Thanks heaps 🙂
Vincent Laforet Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
You’re welcome!
30.000 is a steal for a beast like that. A 10.000 pixel wide still camera from Phase One costs about the same and can shoot a 2 frames a second. Amazing stuff.
These guys a Red keep blowing the competion to smithereens. I does make you wonder indeed where does this end. Remember the infamous “wondercam” Canon proposed a few years back. We will be getting there but I wonder as well. Wil this technology end or extend:
a: creativity – my verdict is it will extend
b: craftsmanship – my verdict is it will end
c: employebility – my verdict is it will not only end but destroy it completely for most people since easier technology will mean less people involved in the creative proces
Greetings, Ed
Thank you Vincent! Your blog site is filled with great information – you’re an inspiration to all of us who endeavor daily to capture wonderful images that can inspire others.
Layne
Hi Vincent:
Very impressed with your work and take on technology. I am a fine art nature photo and musician. To see my imagery, please visit: http://theartofnature.photoshelter.com.
I did a music video back in the 90’s, The Art of Nature, which won numerous awards, using a Bolex. I also did multimedia concerts playing classical and jazz music to my imagery. I am moving forward into getting back into shooting cine(video) footage to combine with my stills and music to create both multimedia concerts and clips for online sales. I also happen to be a pilot and am very excited about doing aerial footage. I have composed a number pieces for aerial footage concepts. I am wondering what sorts of mounts and/or techniques you employ to do your aerial photography. It is a little out of my price range at the moment, but I am very excited about the Icon A5 Light Sport Aircraft. Please.. check it out if you haven’t already.. However, they have no solution for a camera mount at this time… but its an awesome with great potential for photography. Thoughts? Thanks!
So, Vincent, could one still become a high-end editorial and commercial portrait photographer without picking up video? I’m really not interested in shooting video. Could one, for instance, still get work with publications like GQ, W, Interview, Vanity Fair, et al. just by shooting still portraiture?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
July 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Of course you can! You may just not get some of the jobs where THEY want both…
There is a “Concept Camera” that is worth looking at. It’s called the Canon Wonder Camera. http://www.gizmag.com/canon-wonder-camera-concept/15591/
Scroll down about 1/3 of the page and you will find the article and video that talks about this camera. While it’s still in the concept stage, it looks interesting.
@Steven No, It’s not changing anything for the vast number of low/no budget filmmakers out here. It might as well be the arriflex 35mm.
Wow!! The detail at full res is ridicalis! My DSLR doesn’t get shots like that! Wow!
Hello Vincent
As i read many post here, many people still think in therms of still photography vs. video/film.
for me it is (and was) basically the same. if i record a movie it is just photography with more frames.
my vision for the future:
Stills will never be obsolete, but the possibility how to make stills will change dramatically. I think sooner or later there will be a sort of RAW format for still-cameras which have in addition a time information stored. you just press the shutter button and a certain amount of time is stored in the raw format.
eg. 1 second with 100 or even 1000 fps, or even more.
maybe not as a movie with separate frames, but instead somehow as incremental exposure time information.
then you are not only able to change all the stuff you are used today in a RAW Format (WB, exposure, debayer algorithm, sharpening, etc.) but also change the shutter speed in a certain amount in post – choose the amount of motion blur – or move back and forward in time (eg. when someone just closed the eyes, when you pressed the shutter)
of course it is possible then to extract a short movie clip out of the RAW.
I absolutely love ultra slow motion – seen in high end sport broadcasts or in cinema (eg in the last Lars von Trier movies).
I think we will see incredible slow motion in a few years, when it gets affordable for the masses, and high end slomo cameras could even do more.
I see the future of stills like this on screen (of course not for prints):
you look at a still – but then you see an slight movement, and you think “is it moving?”
just like a still frozen in time – but with a ultra ultra slow movement, barely noticeable. could be amazing for action and sport stills.
but it is not only a hardware thing – digital cameras are powerful computers nowadays, and it is just a matter of time when all the optical flow and motion estimation stuff (twixtor etc.) is also packed into them.
interesting possibilities 🙂
if anyones on here today hope yous had a nice xmas and heres to the new year
alfie
@Chun, HOW DO I GET STILL PICS FROM A CANNON CAMERA/ A VIDEO WAS TAKEN?its a cannon digital/ also on a flip vieo how can i get still pics?
@Vincent Laforet, HELLO CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME. I AM TRYING TO GET STILL PICS FROM A FLIP VIDEO. AND OFF A CANNON DIGITAL CAMERA.
“who can say we won’t be shooting 120 fps on our iPhone 8 at 4K?”
No sense. Unless iPhones become much bigger overall they would be limited by the small lenses well bellow that (And that’s a physical limit, not a technological limit).
Vincent Laforet Reply:
January 11th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
You’re stuck w/ current realities – you need to think a bit more broadly towards the future and what developments they may bring in my opinion.
Interesting to see you post these ideas. Back in 1990 I used a Ikegami HC240 to do frame captures that I used to make a food brochure. I did it because I was not printing any thing very large and I wanted the “What you see is what you get” control that the RGB video out of the camera gave me. Later, in 2005 when I got my Z1u I used it to shoot models (who loved that they did not have to hold a pose and could move naturally) I would then grab frames and put them thru after effects and half the resolution to get beautiful stills. That convinced me that Digital still cameras days were numbered and that we would in future pull stills from a stream. I cant think I was the only one to pioneer this technique. Its obvious!
The photo reminds of Blade Runner. The moment when Deckard uses the Voight Kampff machine and starts zooming in on the details, and finds the mirror, and in the reflection recomposes to find Zhora…
Look into the reflection of the girl’s eye..
It’s not science fiction anymore
Vincent Laforet Reply:
April 14th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Agree entirely!
Yes, I think it may replace still cameras for sports and other high speed moments where strobes are not used to freeze motion.
But for most other still photography I don’t think it’ll make much sense. High fps is just not needed most of the time. Use of strobes is out of question and similar light output requires lot of continous energy with hot lights.
Like in music, its not how many notes you can play, but to find just the right notes (with maximum quality).
This particular image doesn’t seem very good for post processing. The shadows are quite mushy and noisy with compression artifacts.
It will definitely change still photography as we know today. Wedding photography will be completely different in the future! WOW!
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Obviously the answer has aready been revealed here. What an impressive camera.
Heya,
Can you please tell me HOW you took this still from your RED footage? I’m trying to get the higest definition still I can, and from what I’ve seen the ‘snapshot’ function on Redcine-X doesn’t get good enough results.
Any pointers much appreciated!
Cheers,
H.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
October 9th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
There are no tricks… just took a snapshot withing Redcine-x – in this case I shot at 120 fps which means a fast 1/240th of a second exposure…
All these cameras have video. It’s time to use the function. I’m stuck in still photo world for now.
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