Fair Warning to Photographers out there: Livebooks appears to be in serious trouble…
I don’t want to be alarmist and I actually have been unable to confirm anything officially through LiveBooks themselves – but not for a lack of trying – but the news seems to be pretty dire for one of the largest photographer portfolio site builders LiveBooks at this time.
IMPORTANT UPDATE – LiveBooks has been acquired by WeddingWire Inc.
Personally, I hope people I know there still have jobs. But one month of silence isn’t really a good start – hope things get better from here. Things happen and companies go through change. But keeping people in the dark is rarely the way to go – regardless of financial / legal restrictions that one can assume were in place during this acquisition . It reflects poorly on the management on both sides and hopefully they will find a way to make it up to the community.
An apology would be a good place to start, as opposed to pretending nothing happened and adopting an overly positive attitude. That’s my two cents anyway. This press release was sent 5 hours after this blog post – hopefully a coincidence. But it should not have come to that, as others have been complaining loudly for more than 30 days and largely ignored by LiveBooks customer service and WeddingWire management. I believe in giving everyone a chance, and at times a second chance – but I also believe in studying people’s (or companies’) past actions to predict their future moves… I hope to be be proven wrong here because many good people worked very hard to make LiveBooks become what it is.
To find out more about WeddingWire click here. – Vincent Laforet
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE AT END OF POST.
Original post:
To be clear: there is no official announcement that anything is wrong from LiveBooks. (There is a growing rumor that they are in the process of being sold/purchased/acquired by someone else… ergo the awkward silence and still not the way to treat your customers IMO [keeping them in the dark.] I heard about this earlier but only from one source and didn’t want to put that in here – but now I’m hearing it from several independent sources.)
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Unofficial comment from Andy Patrick – in the comment section: "Hey everyone… we’ve been waiting on final news so as to be able to tell everyone. It happened this morning and it is GREAT NEWS. A press release will be issued very soon. All is well, the team is coming back in force…. stay tuned. Thanks Vincent… please don’t be alarmed."
But, the news I’m hearing from enough knowledgeable sources in the business is that they are without CEO, and that there is no longer any staff in the USA – only a few staffers left overseas. The CEO Andy Patrick took LiveBooks off of his LinkedIn Page and then put it back… none of the former employees I know have LiveBooks listed on their LinkedIn Profiles anymore… No one has heard a single word, response or pretty much anything for more than a month now. It would appear that the entire US part of the business is shut down.
There have been several threads out there about problems with Livebooks partner Fotomoto (which according to their site is DOWN) one of the companies they recently acquired and those anecdotes are quite alarming. Apparently payments are being processed for the monthly service, but sales aren’t being put through and the interface to CANCEL your account has been disabled… so people are having to call their credit card companies to block payment… and some have no way of getting paid for their sales either.
I’ve been a LiveBooks customer for 7 years and have a lot of friends who work there. I hope I’m mistaken, but I wouldn’t be writing this if I thought there was a good chance that I was of course.
For all of those of you who’ve put in dozens of hours into creating your sites – you might want to take some defensive measure in case anything drastic were to happen – such as the servers shutting down with little notice. Some of you may remember the Digital Railroad fiasco a few years back where they gave all of their customers very little time to download their data off of their servers resulting in panic as people pounded the servers and got horrible download throughput as a result…
What worries me the most is the total lack of response from LiveBooks. Their last tweet was June 4th. Dead silence since. There’s no one to reach over there either. No response. So we’re left to speculate openly which is not something I like to do at all. I’m frankly uncomfortable with it – but in this case a lot of photographers stand to get really hurt if LiveBooks were to suddenly shut down their servers.
If you’re looking for recommendations for where to go next I’ll share three with you – all people I know and have worked before and can recommend without reservation:
APhotofolio is currently my main site. Rob Haggart from APhotoeditor started this business years ago and it has grown to the point of being a main competitor to Livebooks. It’s relatively easy to start a site, there’s a highly elegant set of designs, it works on the web and on iOS and portable devices and is HTML-5 based. The customer service is TOP NOTCH.
Another service is Photoshelter’s new Beam. It’s still in Beta but I know the people there too and while I haven’t tried the service yet, it does look quite elegant as well and has some VERY nice features – and I have no hesitation recommending the crew there as I’ve known for more than seven years.
Lastly you can also check out my friends at NeonSky. They offer standard templates as with the companies above and they also do some fantastic custom sites. They are an absolute pleasure to work with, highly creative. If you want a custom site keep in mind that that usually translates into taking a bit more time to create an original design of course – which is what many of you may want.
I honestly can’t recommend one over the other right now – because I’ve worked with all 3 companies and have and have had sites with all 3 services I trust you will take the time to check each of their services out and see what suits your needs the best!
If I’m wrong LiveBooks – PLEASE TELL US LiveBooks! Or at least put a press release out or official announcement / update.
PRESS RELEASE:
liveBooks Acquired by WeddingWire
To the liveBooks Community:
We are thrilled to announce that liveBooks has been acquired by WeddingWire, Inc., the leading online marketplace for the wedding and events industry. They are an amazing group of people, passionate about being great stewards of the liveBooks brand, and focused on maintaining our leadership role in all aspects of the photography and creative professional industry.
What does this mean for you?
You’ll continue to receive the same great service as always. For anyone who experienced frustrations during this recent transition period, our sincere apologies. We’ll be working hard over the next few weeks to make the transition as seamless as possible. This week, support staff is in full force and ready to help with for your support questions, custom design and new site enhancements.
liveBooks brand will remain.
We’re excited to partner with the WeddingWire team to continue to serve the liveBooks community. The acquisition means more resources will be available for product innovation and we will be sharing the details of these developments in the coming months. We’re working to bring you more value as a liveBooks customer.
We appreciate your loyalty over the years and look forward to this exciting next chapter—we’re commited to bringing you stellar business solutions to boost your online presence and success.
Keep doing great work and having fun.
All my best,
Andy Patrick
Longtime Livebooks user, so am hoping this isn’t true, but grateful for the heads-up. Haven’t heard a peep about anything, so thanks, Vincent.
I personally use Viewbooks and have been with them for a few years now. Pretty good alternative and much more affordable than LiveBooks.
Hey Vincent, Someone on one of my forums posted this morning that: “Wedding Wire, Inc., has completed their acquisition of Livebooks”. I haven’t heard anything else about it, and a little searching on the web turned up nothing…. fwiw. A.
Vincent Laforet Reply:
July 9th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
I updated my post to mention they MAY have been acquired. I only had that from one source and my old journalism rule is to confirm w/ 2 if not 3 sources (sorry I’m a bit old school I know.)
This makes me soooooooo MAD!
I’ve had Livebooks for over 7 years as well, and my entire branding is based off my pre-design.
I’ve had issues over the past month, and keep getting email responses from one guy, saying there is no phone support.
I’m wondering what kind of legal action we’ll be able to take if left hung out to dry by them.
neonsky is indeed great – their tech support is amazing… only problem is that they’re very expensive. squarespace is AMAZING.
Thanks for the heads up, already on it…
A photog on a yahoo photo forum was loudly complaining about the lack of response from live books regarding his account. He wasn’t a happy fella.
I’ve been worried about Livebooks for a while…and I have two websites with them. They took the ph # off their site. And request for phone calls through e-mails was rudely answered. I hope you’re wrong, but thank you for writing it, and all the info.
I personally don’t trust any templated built company website. I had mine built in WordPress. We control it, we back it up every night and if something horrible happens then we can pretty much put it up on another CMS in less than 24 hours.
Their last blog post was April 15th. I assumed they were busy working on something amazing, not going under. If there is a problem, hopefully they are bought out so current websites can remain online. I just finished redoing two sites with them 6 months ago and everything was fine then.
Hey everyone… we’ve been waiting on final news so as to be able to tell everyone. It happened this morning and it is GREAT NEWS. A press release will be issued very soon. All is well, the team is coming back in force…. stay tuned. Thanks Vincent… please don’t be alarmed.
Stefan Reply:
July 10th, 2013 at 4:34 am
@Andy Patrick, Sorry Andy, but I personally feel you have screwed up Fotomoto big time. That’s no way to manage an acquisition, that’s a sure way to destroy trust and the brand itself. Forever. Well done.
Frank Sommers Reply:
July 10th, 2013 at 5:52 am
@Andy Patrick, did it take you 30 days to craft that press release or were there other reasons your support has gone to hell?
After several years of unpleasant and expensive dealings with Livebooks, I went over to Neon Sky, and as you’ve said, it’s hard to find a better group of guys for customer support. Not expensive at all, considering the benefit.
This just in.
http://livebooksclientspecificmail.cmail5.com/t/ViewEmail/y/7270F65D24D753CA/F11247AB60A6ED053FEC1D8A50AFD3BD
I just got an email from Livebooks stating that they’ve been acquired by Weddingwire. Seems like a bit of a shotgun wedding to me. Thanks for bringing this up. I have two sites with Livebooks so I have a fair amount riding on this…
The news:
http://livebooksclientspecificmail.cmail5.com/t/ViewEmail/y/7270F65D24D753CA/C567367B6C9845AD775FA7C4C6318CD9
This is such a huge bummer. All of it. The poorly managed “transition” and the now the wedding association. How can that not be addressed for non-wedding shooters during this process. Ugh, ugh and ugh. Thanks Vincent for shedding light on this.
One more thought: No matter how this shakes out, it is highly disturbing that a company that is about BRANDING says nothing in regards to being acquired by a wedding-oriented outfit. Association is extremely important with all of this. This is nothing against wedding photography — it is wonderful and meaningful. But as a photographer I prefer that my website provider be free of any specific industry associations.
I’d like to offer myself as an alternative. My name is Mike Hartley and I build bespoke websites and offer free and paid for templates under the name bigflannel.
I’ve got great experience, from making Karsh’s website to JA Mortram, Mark Katzman to Eric Ogden. I’ve won PDN competitions, Comm Arts competitions and a Webby. I’ve been making websites for photographers since 2000.
Take a look, give me a call, I’m always happy to chat:
http://bigflannel.com/profile/
Thank you.
Regards
Mike
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
you didn’t recommend my current 3 favorite website template companies: virb.com, squarespace.com and 4ormat.com. They are all affordable, easy to use and all HTML5 from the ground up. They all have their pros and cons but overall I’ve been really happy with the sites I’ve built with them.
Hey Vincent. Thanks so much for keeping us up to date through your resources. This has just saved me a ton of aggravation as I was just getting ready to make a switch on my website. After reading your post, I must say as this moment, I can’t feel comfortable making the switch to Livebooks. Up until I read your post, they were my first pick. Thanks for sharing Vincent!
Charlie
Ajay Rana Reply:
July 16th, 2013 at 6:24 am
@Charlie, Livebook was one of the option I had when I was looking for a good portfolio site builder, but I chose Pixpa for some very good reason like easiest admin panel. Today, I feel really safe that I choice was good. I would recommend you to use Pixpa. You will be a happy man for sure. Call them any time, amazing 24×7 customer service. All the best
Thanks Vincent. I thought I was the only crazy one upset at how things are being run at Livebooks. It’s a a shame. What was once a strong company is now on shaky ground. It seems Neon Sky is an excellent site. Think I’m going to check them out.
Thanks for the warning, I’ve been a Livebook user for quite sometime, but I hope it isn’t true.
Ugh, LiveBooks. The site that charges $4k for a “custom” flash website. Why are so many photographers such suckers? Why would you pay so much for such a junky looking site built by high-school “designers?”
I knew they had horrendous customer service 5+ years ago, how are people just realizing this now? Honestly one of the worst companies I’ve ever dealt with.
I’d rather spend an hour talking with AmEx or Comcast customer service, LOL.
Glad to hear these bums are done for.
Hi: Pity Livebooks is being so childish and secretive!
I agree with your comments about Rob Haggart and Aphotofolio. Awesome support and a great community member. Another website template you others may consider is http://www.squarespace.com. Like aphotofolio, excellent support and functionality across many platforms.
Thanks Vincent
Hi Vincent,
I read two posts today that have saved me. One is of yours about Livebooks and other is of Superb Website Builders (http://superbwebsitebuilders.com/pixpa-portfolio-builder-review/). I was searching for the best platforms for creating my portfolio website, few were in my mind like livebooks, squarespace, Pixpa, etc. But Today I have decided for which one to go with. I choose Pixpa to move with. Thanks
Thanks for this public service Vince, I was literally about to bite the bullet on them. Any new updates since this came out or should i just do Neon Sky?
Vincent Laforet Reply:
July 17th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Hey Matt – good to hear from you… The latest news is published in the blog and they’ve done a Q&A online or are about to…. make your own wise decisions.
Both the News and blog tabs on the Livebooks site are dead so that probably tells me all i need to know.
At present, all Livebooks sites have been down for roughly 6 hours or so. Despite quite a few posts to the Livebooks support forum, there is absolutely no reply from Livebooks.
A once-great site, Livebooks has declined mightily of late.
For me, it’s time to switch.
You were correct. Today Livebook’s email servers crashed and was down for over 10 hours. All my sent and incoming emails were lost.
Vincent, someone drew my attention to this yesterday. Terms of Use rights grab. http://www.livebooks.com/terms-of-use
Submissions
You acknowledge that you are responsible for the information, messages, comments and other content or material that you submit, upload, post or otherwise make available on or through the Site (each a “Submission”) and that you, and not LIVEBOOKS, have full responsibility for each such Submission you make, including its legality, reliability, appropriateness, and trademark and copyright ownership. Unless otherwise explicitly stated herein, you agree that any Submission provided by you in connection with this Site is provided on a non-proprietary and non-confidential basis and you agree that LIVEBOOKS is free to use such Submission for the purpose of providing you with the associated services and you grant LIVEBOOKS a sublicensable, nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license to (in any media, whether now known or not currently known or invented) link to, utilize, use, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, distribute, modify and prepare derivative works of the Submission.
Yep, considering the price, the customer service is worse that terrible. It doesn’t exist. Having to email and wait for a reply for days on end is something I’m totally over. Having them only contactable monday – friday between 9 and 5 pacific time is laughable considering the service they’re meant to provide. I’m over these people. I stuck it out for four years but i give up. Maybe I’m the stupid one for being so patient.
I had been in design hell with livebook , in the midst of a custom design .. everyone disappeared no online and no phone support. I did get a full refund later but had to go all Secret Agent By contacting Andy Patrick directly proving that anyone can be found if you do enough googling . RUN , dont walk .. go to squarespace.. seriously cheaper beater and has an office with limited classes and 24 hour support. I had a year of no website and was refunded hesitantly